"But mah difficulty" "game's doomed"

Classic IS NOT ABOUT DIFFICULT RAIDS. You have a great game for that: retail. I am sure M Azshara must provide a lot of opportunity to test your reflexes and coordination.

Do you think there are tons of people playing this again because of the raids? Do you really think that MC was what we missed? And after we finally got it, do you think we would stop playing Classic because there are some random dudes that manage to kill a 15yo boss in greens? I am not even halfway to 60 and I played more than the average person.

Stop trying to make this game about raiding and about the no-life minority. F this e-sports mentality. WoW was originally built to make the MMO genre accessible to casuals, and oh boy they delivered. This is the part we lost on the way; raiding was never lost.

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It was established a week ago that MC is easy due to 1.12 and most players don’t care because Vanilla was about the leveling.

Why do people keep bringing this up?

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I’m playing it for the raids. I don’t give a hoot about difficulty. I care about playing with fun and cool people. I care about the whole MMO aspect. The rpg part comes with it for me. If l want difficulty then I’ll play modern or counterstrike.

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Your tone is a bit coarse, but I agree with you in principle. Most of us are here, presumably, to have fun, not to chase records and play ourselves into a diabetic coma. I really wish people would stop, smell the roses, and enjoy all of the smaller parts of WoW that make the game tick; its music, its zone aesthetics, its gear and quest designs, the flavor of the different factions, the writing, etc. The moment a game is perceived as an e-sport, a certain measure of the fun is lost, because it becomes less of an actual game and more of a competition, or even a source of income.

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Yeah, sorry. I’ve been following this for so much time; used to read posts of people happy with the return of “the journey”, and now I see all these posts making a huge deal out of Rag kills… it got me.

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Personally, I want to play Classic for the PvP.

Yeah, I know it’s unbalanced asf, but I really enjoy a game where if I put time into the game to get the best gear I can, I will crush people in PvP. Last time I had an experience like that was in MoP.

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Man remember when we were telling these classic guys how easy the content was going to be a few months ago?

What a surprise…

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You need to stop with this false narrative.

Vanilla was about whatever people enjoyed, whether it was leveling or raiding or farming or auction house.

Vanilla is just a better core RPG than anything out there at the moment, that’s why people lik it.

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I am interested in seeing of previously blacklisted specs might be viable in the environment. If the raids are indeed “easier” for whatever reason, perhaps we can let people play the character they want and still succeed. When/if my guild starts raiding, I am going to experiment with this.

Raiding was changed because of casuals - they couldn’t make it there, or make time to actually attend raids.

Blizzard has always made changes for casuals, and it will be no different for this game either. I don’t need to log on just to socialize with people - there are apps for that.

Casuals are not committed players.

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I partly agree; Blizzard made changes because of complainers. There is always people asking for changes, even now at the forum front page of a game that the developer itself is #nochanges.

And it’s not entirely about complaining players either. I remember Blizzard devs were disappointed because raids were content that took a lot of time to develop and only a small portion of the playerbase ended up seeing (they were specially mad at Ulduar, IIRC).

Blizzard always kept a hardmode though. Min/maxers were always served.

A few hybrids are starting to show up on the warcraftlogs classic section.

You can be the judge on if they are worth it.

More like months ago. All those posts before they moved the Classic forums. Before the beta. 1.12 is garbage.

Thats cool, go raid! You wont find what you are looking for at all here. It was easy 15 years ago, no matter what they do, its gonna be easy today.

Ty OP good post. The majority of people never even got past MC, heck most didn’t even raid.

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The fact that -anyone- thinks people came to Vanilla for the Raids when sub 8% of the population during Vanilla ever saw in the inside of a single raid, is kinda hillarious.

People are not here for the Raids. Theyre here for the entire experience. Most people in Vanilla didn’t raid even once, so they cant be here for something they never did.

Im sure a small percentage of that crowd might be wanting to experience the raids precisely BECAUSE they never did then, but its not going to be because they were difficult or something. Itll just be because they never did, and now want to. Difficult or not.

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Rock paper scissors is balanced. What type of balance do you mean?

all rocks

ya know. like retail

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I take your point but uncommitted isn’t a great definition for casuals. Could easily have a super committed mount collecting pet battler.

I know a super casual with Vial of the Sands…

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What’s a super balanced thing I can use as an example opposite rock paper scissors?

Something where every element is identically powerful as against every other.

… swimming?

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