Bursting s3

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Maybe it’s just me but bursting feels significantly stronger this season than before.

3 stacks on a 15 key feels like they hit harder than on a 20 last season in terms of people melting. And I don’t think gear is the reason. We should see a bit more health as we go along.

But I certainly remember being able to let a 3 stack of bursting sit there in 20+ keys in s2 being near ilvl cap. People being around 460 in a 15 seems like it should be equivalent.

3 stacks now though is getting people dangerously low if not killed if ignored.

Anyone noticed a difference? And yes I’m ignoring the absence of mass dispel. I could wait for 4-5 stacks before dispelling last season just fine.

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Might be because we keep getting HP buffs and it’s a HP % ability that’s been scaling more than our healing/damage scaling

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It was changed to flat dmg scaling with key level a long time ago.

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New dungeon scaling while everyone’s still trying to gear and people’s IO hasn’t settled to where you can accurately assume people’s skill ceiling is likely the culprit.

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Maybe they overscaled it for S3 and/or we’re still undergeared since it’s a new season

I do think a HUGE issue is that low hp bundles of mobs like the flowers from EB or the lil shades in WC shouldn’t give bursting when they die. There’s just too many of them and having to hold damage on these low HP mobs are the most unfun thing ever designed.

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What does skill have to do with raw relative numbers that I’m talking about.

Just seeing if anyone else has noticed a difference.

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How generally decent they’ll be at running mechanics. (Such as not giving the group gargantuan stacks)

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Right but im talking about the relative difference between 3 stacks between seasons. Not how poorly people are handling the affix.

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Ohhhhh, you meant apples to apples, thought it was just a general ‘bursting sucks right now’ post, I got you. Lol

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Are you comparing end of season 2 to now?

End of season 2 it was common for all 5 people to be about 444 on average.

For season 3 that would be 483. Are your pugs all about 483 on all 5?

This impacts player health, self heals, and how easy it is to heal back,

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I played until a couple weeks after Aug released
Me and my team were 440-444 week 2 or so.

And that was like 19-21 key range around then.

I’m saying now at 460, bursting at a +15 key feels stronger than bursting at +20 and 440-444 ilvl last season

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What are you now?

Also when Liquid did the world first mythic Sark kill in season 2 which was week 2, they had an average raid item level of 436.6 after running almost 100 split raids and having a 8/9 mythic clear and 9/9 mythic clear.

Pretty impressive your random pug was more geared than the RWF guild.

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There is a 39 item level jump this season.

440 last season is 479 this season.

444 last season is 483 this season.

460 right now is the same as 421 last season.

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No you’re right I’m remembering wrong and off a bit

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-df-2/5070070-20-the-underrot

This was start of week 4 I think. So we were just about 440.

And I’m comparing a 15 key to a 20 key.

First bursting week I think was here https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-df-2/8978080-22-freehold

So avg of 441. With bursting at a +20 level. And I don’t remember it ever feeling dangerous. Granted I had mass dispel but 3 stacks didn’t need dispelling.

Right now on just a 15 I feel like I need to dispel it at 3 stacks if there’s other dmg coming out at all.

I don’t think 460 for a 15 is undergeared is it?
421 for a 15 last season sounds right.

All I know is I’ve been getting really caught off guard underestimating bursting this season lol.

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I couldn’t really tell. The pugs I was in kept racking it up to 6-9 stacks, not popping defensives, etc. It was horrible.

You’d think people would know to stagger kills by now.

xD

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Had a quick squizz.

Picked a random +15 log from the first Bursting week in Season 2. 3-stack of Bursting was doing 66k unmitigated:

02:16.383 Barbiegírl is afflicted by Burst (3) from Befouled Spirit
02:16.383 Barbiegírl’s Burst is refreshed by Befouled Spirit
02:16.383 Öberg is afflicted by Burst (3) from Befouled Spirit
02:16.383 Öberg’s Burst is refreshed by Befouled Spirit
02:16.383 Tormug is afflicted by Burst (3) from Befouled Spirit
02:16.383 Tormug’s Burst is refreshed by Befouled Spirit
02:16.383 Styrman is afflicted by Burst (3) from Befouled Spirit
02:16.383 Styrman’s Burst is refreshed by Befouled Spirit
02:16.383 Ekologísk is afflicted by Burst (3) from Befouled Spirit
02:16.383 Ekologísk’s Burst is refreshed by Befouled Spirit
02:16.794 Environment Burst Öberg 32251 (B: 23381) (U: 66063, M: 33812, 51.18%)
02:16.794 Environment Burst Styrman 36617 (A: 14805) (U: 66063, M: 14641, 22.16%)
02:16.794 Environment Burst Tormug 60380 (U: 66063, M: 5683, 8.60%)
02:16.794 Environment Burst Barbiegírl 51252 (U: 66063, M: 14811, 22.42%)
02:16.794 Environment Burst Ekologísk 54403 (U: 66063, M: 11660, 17.65%)

Picking a random +15 log from this week, a 3-stack of Burst is doing ~98.2k

06:17.187 Caravalian is afflicted by Burst (3) from Jagged Hound 12
06:17.187 Caravalian’s Burst is refreshed by Jagged Hound 12
06:17.187 Sammewarr is afflicted by Burst (3) from Jagged Hound 12
06:17.187 Sammewarr’s Burst is refreshed by Jagged Hound 12
06:17.187 Jordy is afflicted by Burst (3) from Jagged Hound 12
06:17.187 Jordy’s Burst is refreshed by Jagged Hound 12
06:17.187 Edredellea is afflicted by Burst (3) from Jagged Hound 12
06:17.187 Edredellea’s Burst is refreshed by Jagged Hound 12
06:17.188 Phantompains is afflicted by Burst (3) from Jagged Hound 12
06:17.188 Phantompains’s Burst is refreshed by Jagged Hound 12
06:17.412 Environment Burst Edredellea 84598 (U: 98245, M: 13647, 13.89%)
06:17.412 Environment Burst Phantompains 86835 (U: 98245, M: 11410, 11.61%)
06:17.413 Environment Burst Sammewarr 84221 (U: 98245, M: 14024, 14.27%)
06:17.413 Environment Burst Caravalian 20850 (U: 98245, M: 77395, 78.78%)
06:17.413 Environment Burst Jordy 62333 (U: 98245, M: 35912, 36.55%)

So that’s a ~48.71% increase in the damage of burst at the +15 level from Season to Season.
I also did a quick compare against a later Season 2 Tyrannical week, just to ensure there’s no bug where Burst’s damage is affected by Fort/Tyr, which is the kind of bug we’ve sometimes had before. It looks consistent between the 2.

You can use those numbers to make a call on whether you think it’s too much for the ilvl/stamina/healing changes from season to season. The other factor that you mentioned of course is the other damage from the mobs that Burst combines with.

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From the couple of brief runs on some alts, it feels like there are at least some trivial mobs popping Bursting that really should not be.

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It’s absolutely cancer, especially now that it feels like it triggers from every weak elite or trashmob.

Especially with the mass dispell nerf, it should only last one second and be a flat percentage or damage amount.

actually…just remove it

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I think the worst one was everbloom, but I havent done too many this week yet.

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Awesome dig btw thanks!