Because it’s the best way to create balance. In a two faction game, with uneven factions, queue times is a balancing mechanism. You’re hung up on how they shouldn’t exist, but the reality is that they do. This change does nothing to achieve balance. It simply “fixes” one issue and ignores the rest. The imbalance is still there and there’s nothing being done to change that.
The truth is that there is nothing I can say to “rationalize” it to you because you want faster queues above all else. And you got them.
I agree. It is a major letdown to see TBC classic go in a direction that none of us could have foreseen. It simply never existed in any version of the game and is so far removed from what the game was. We were told we were getting a faithful recreation of TBC with “some changes” but not too dramatic. This is a dramatic change. We were misled.
I mean do some research. On all servers in classic alliance had about a 55% advantage in Vanilla classic whereas horde now have a 53% across all servers.
That 55% was the end of classic too where many guilds already were making the change to horde (if they were planning too) at one point in classic the game was 60% alliance.
You just saw skeram and stalag and you figured that was the entire game… where on most pvp servers the alliance were the best guilds and ran the server. Easily.
There’s a pretty good chance we won’t go past Wrath. But, if it does happen, it’ll happen even faster than it did the first time around. Just like PvP servers are all getting one sided faster.
Can we please have the chessboard event in Karazhan changed to have Horde peices on both sides of the board, to more accurately reflect the current state of the game? Thank you.
this is horrible, to not address any of the self made issues with season1 honor rates and varying honor rates being available throughout the season as well as leave arena’s butchered for your leet streamers and then let horde get its cake and eat it too your 100% ensuring alliance will die off at breakneck pace. I decided to stay with a guild I enjoyed from classic alliance for casul pvp access rather than reroll horde for pvp in BC knowing the ques would not be viable for me this time around. This is an absolutely dreadful and short sighted change, and it made it very clear your not interested in there being an alliance faction involved in the game at all. RIP
planning to stay raidloggable for phase1 because my guild is a good guild and im not an jerk, but that means literally fresh starting on a new server in phase2 from 0. Its going to be so great. at least I reserved the names when infinity mode was first introduced. Best time to start fresh from 0 is totally after phase2 dropped and all guild rosters are long set.
Well as a Horde side BGer who plays BECAUSE there are two DIFFERENT sides this just earned me a insta unsub. Fix this and I’ll be back. This is such a bait and switch to #nochanges in the most egregious manner. We had LONG QUEUES back in the day so this change is completely out of line. I expected long queues when I rolled Horde for TBC. If I knew this was coming I would have NEVER came back.
Alliance werent queuen up for bgs to begin with. Alliance are half at fault here and dont act like the alliance were fine before the change. Before they werent so many people had a bad experience in classic that they left behind they fully decked out toons and boosted a horde toon.
The fast queues were an incentive 12 years ago, now its more of a burden because more then half the alliance dont care about winning bgs.
I’m glad HvH is back and here to stay. I might start playing my alt again. Now blizzard just needs to up the honor gain at its current form its still too low.
It definitely isnt the ideal solution, but it does enable progress for players to not just play the game, but also introduce more players to pvp. I can say that both in the test and yesterday when this went back into effect that there is a ton more horde players (fresh/ungeared) pvping that werent participating before. Blizzard is focused on acts of engagement and sub retention, they know that alliance preference is on PVE and that they are bleeding subs so they will put in quick changes to address more instant satisfaction.
What I think needs to be explored is context around why people dont really think to play alliance as much as horde in a faction battling game. Personally, I look at night elves and gnomes and I just dont see them as cool rushing into a battle. People joke about terms “zug zug” but honestly a lot of players just want to pwn some people and even ignore bg mechanics just to fish for kills. There is a clear separation where PVE minded players focused on social and exploration principles in games like alliance and “killers” (player type) like the horde. Not saying I know any fixes, whether it’s racials, queues, etc. What I do know is over time of these clear difference you see pvpers on alliance farm up their honor fast with premades and stop participating, and view bgs as a means of aiding horde and that they require an incentive to bother. That isnt enjoyment or desire for pvp, that is expected payment and only under criteria they prefer (premade/instant queue).
What if, instead of that Blizzard just sends Horde a gift basket with a full PVP starter set for little effort and drasically lowers the amount of time you need to spend in bgs to get fully pvp geared by cutting the amount of honor gear you want to purchase in half? I guess that wouldn’t be enough to make you happy right? The honor gain is still too low for you. You know what why doesn’t Blizzard just mail horde characters an entire PVP set when they create their toon. Not alliance though, it’s 50% their fault they didn’t get it too because they chose not to roll horde as you said. Would that be good enough for you?
