I just want to play voidweaver in mplus, it was so much fun I’m tww. Has anyone done high keys with voidweaver , 18+, and have any success with it. I want to level mine but I refuse to play oracle I want to blast big dam
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We can only hope they will buff it. So far they have completely neglected VW in PvE which sucks for those of us who like to maximize damage output and love the atonement healing playstyle versus the shield playstyle.
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Highest I tried with voidweaver was a 14 and I felt like I was struggling to get heals out. So I only do Oracle for high keys, because I just don’t trust VW to keep a group up.
I think atonement simply isnt strong enough to make VW work.
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A sad spot for the tree to be in for sure. Exactly what is the point of Hero Trees if they aren’t as closely balanced as possible? The whole idea behind them are to lean into different strengths or aspects of a specialization. So people can play the style they like best or what fits in best with class fantasy for the RP crowd. I think VW disc vs Oracle disc is probably the most imbalanced or at least in the top 3 most imbalanced pair of hero talents in the game
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It was killed off with the start of the season tuning. Not to be so dramatic. But it was my favorite build. Anyone pushing higher than a +14 is either ina skilled gorup or not pugging.
3551 IO with iLvl 291 and full gem slots. Disc VW doesnt do anything. 60k dps is nice. But as we know, the playstyle is dicey and intentionalyl risky. It is killed off becuase the risky playstyle isnt worth the reward what so ever. It doesnt heal worth a damn.
The largest heal is through Atonement.
All other forms of healing (shields, penance, flashheal / shadowmend) are much weaker than the Oracle counterpart and provide little to nothing. You’d think if Pain is ticking 25% faster, you can offset the dooke atonement with some additional shadowmends. Nope. Feels bad.
Keep posting until they fix it. Personally, I will going to try flameshaper pres evo for my dps rp-ing. Oracle doesnt blast big damage; however, the 35k dps is free. Zero added effort for 35k dps is pretty great quality of life. I have tested min/maxing it with varying playstyles available to Oracle. It ranges for a ± 2k difference. Nothing to concern ourselves about honestly.
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Probably not many but there is a +21 with a VW disc priest so someone made it work up to that level. Archon.gg says that Oracle disc has 98% usage and VW has 2% for disc priests for all keys 7+ in the last 14 days. 
Almost all healing specs are 90%+ one hero tree dominant though it looks like. MW is also 98% celestials. Holy priest and resto druid are the most diverse in terms of hero spec usage but are still 80/20.
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Not if you sort by high keys on archon. VW disc has .1% representation in high keys. And if you sort high keys by HPS output, VW disc is dead last for heal output.
Oh and insult to injury, our primarily damage to heal counterpart, Conduit MW monk does more average damage than VW disc and outheals it by 40k hps on average. VW needs help.
Edit: VW Disc is also dead last on HPS output for all keys, not just high.
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The 2% is just for disc priests. 98% Oracle 2% (or 1.8) VW just counting disc priest keys.
All priest specs really need help in M+ but VW probably the most. I think they need to change atonement healing to work in a way that’s easier to balance between different size content.
Ancient Teachings and Way of the Crane I think are easier to balance between content sizes since those systems don’t care how many targets there are to heal.
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Lol they had it changed that way last xpac but took it out. The main issue is that Oracle was benefiting too much from atonement so they nerfed it but they did it baseline so it hurt VW more than Oracle and VW as already down and out. They didn’t buff the VW hero tree atonement modifiers to compensate. Voidheart and Void Infusion are knobs they could easily turn that would bring up VW without buffing Oracle.
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I think it would go a long way to separately tune Oracle and VW’s atonement healing modifier. VW needs more out of atonement than Oracle, especially if they don’t want VW damage too high.
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Correct. And Void Infusion and Voidheart are the two nodes in the VW hero tree that control its independent atonement output. They just don’t seem interested in fixing it.
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Voidweaver disc is so fun to play it is very unfortunate it has got zero attention or buffs at all this entire season. Especially when it clearly needs buffs. Objective data (ie from archon) makes this very obvious. I’m disappointed at atonement getting nerfed in dungeons so badly. I wish they would separate raid and dungeon tuning for atonement like they did in TWW. That seemed to work pretty well. Additionally, like others have said Voidheart and void Infusion are such easy tuning knobs for Voidweaver disc and it is baffling they have yet to be buffed. Recent class tuning focused on hero talents buffed a lot of underperforming hero talents and somehow Voidweaver disc wasn’t even mentioned. Is Voidweaver disc really going to go this entire season without any tuning or adjustments? Very sad.
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And while we are talking about voidweaver issues here. Can we talk about how our “defensive” choice node in the hero tree is awful compared to Oracle’s Prophet’s Will talent. We choose between 3% magic DR or 4% leech every 3 seconds. Void Leech is a cool concept but why does it damage allies? It should damage a nearby enemy and steal 4% of your hp every 3 sec, and should also do atonement healing for that damage. Embrace the Shadow should be made into something stronger for your self healing. Since atonement is the theme of the VW build, do something similar to prophets will. Maybe increase atonement healing on yourself by 30%, something with more oomph than a measly 3% magic DR.
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I would prefer voidweaver to be meta, it’s literally what discipline is about, healing through damage.
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I just want to see its healing output brought in line with Oracle. That way the disc players that want the old school shield style of pre-legion can do Oracle and those who like the full on high damage atonement style healer introduced in Legion can focus on healing through damage. I want the Hero trees to be an ACTUAL CHOICE not the illusion of choice.
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yeah its crazy how they buffed hero talents and didnt even touch vw. lazy devs or just pure incompetence, its so frustrating because the spec is so much fun to play. Its a unique playstyle that I really enjoy.
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So they have been releasing tuning passes just about every 2 weeks to bring up underperforming specs and hero talents on Friday evenings. Who also thinks VW disc gets passed up again if they do another this week?
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I was looking out of the tuning post Friday…..nothing. VW disc negligence goes on.
Is Voidweaver actually bad-bad or is it just a little less preferable than Oracle so people think it’s dog water?
Honestly, the dps of having 2x Fire Breaths (that also heal for a nice amount), the collateral AoE damage from cleaving Lifesparks (who can hit up to 3 enemies if nobody else than your target needs the healing version) after that and the spare Disintegrates when nothing else is needed impressed me out a lot, especially on trash packs.
It’s still really painful to heal on a Prevoker, though, not because I think it’s weak, but because the other ranged dps players seem to be my own personal mini boss. I’m looking at YOU fully mobile BM hunter who made the effort of backpedalling behind me while I was about to Dream Breath. 