Buff Undead racials, NERF dwarf and nelf

Undead racials have been butchered for years to the point where they are barely picked outside of PvP. Very surprised to not see them addressed. Touch of the Grave just falls way too short in comparison to other damage effects given by other races.

In addition Will of the Forsaken has been nerfed to the point where it is irrelevant in 99.9% of pve and only decent in very niche pvp circumstances. Meanwhile, things like stoneform is applicable in nearly all pve and all pvp games.

Dwarf and nelf active racials are just way too strong. It is nice to buff these other classes but if you dont issue direct nerfs to stoneform and meld, you are likely wasting time and we will still play these racials. You could buff the actives of other races that underperform as well but good luck with that.

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Just stop dude. Buff other racials up to that level but stop demanding nerfs.

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shadowmeld needs nerf. actually it needs remove. do you know any night elf having invisibility from lore ?

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That sounds like power creep.

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Yes they used it quite often in Warcraft 3.

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okay thanks.

so nerf is enough.

This 100%.

That or a rework, it’s the most widely used racial in the game.

I’d agree with this only if that same philosophy was applied back when Blood Elf racial was reworked and nerfed… I won’t lie I’m still a bit salty on that one, so until they revert that change, I’ll say they should nerf racials that are an outlier, such as Shadow Meld.

If devs reworked belf racial because “it was the most widely used racial in M+ (and PvP) in Legion”, then they should also rework nelf racial when we have that same situation happening (all of Dragonflight and still in TWW).

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no i wont stop, you stop dude.

Notice how this threads went from nerf humans (now mediocre) to now nerf dwarfs and night elfs but their own racials? :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

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There has been a call to nerf nelf and dwarves this entire time. Very little was said to nerf humans, Blizzard just did it because of the changes to account wide reputation.

Also why would people ask for nerfs on underperforming races?

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To be fair night elf is one of the most represented races at the moment because of their racials. It does deserve a nerf. I’m not too sure about Dwarf though.

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Dwarf is even worse. Most classes will use dwarf unless they are a healer so they can meld drink in m+. Dwarf is typically the best in raids as well, sometimes a root or movespeed racial is better though but rare.

https:// murlok .io/hunter/ beast-mastery/mm+#races

can play around with that website.

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Why nerf shadowmeld? Nelfs are stealthy, that’s their thing. They can’t even use it in combat and it’s a 2 min cd. It’s been nerfed from its classic version.

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They can use it in combat, what are you talking about? :thinking:

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They use it all the time in combat it’s been one of the most used if not the most used racial in the games history since it’s basicly a aggrodump and a extra restealth for rogues.

It’s also allows healers to regain mana in fights since they can just pop it then just drink for a few secs to gain back mana to use in low dmg phases in fights or when their tank has popped big defences.

Also it’s a way to avoid death in dungeons and raids since if you are the last one standing pop and boss nearly always despawns.

Oh. Maybe I was thinking of hunter camoflage. How it used to function like vanish for a brief bit of time. I don’t play nelfs that much.

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No need to nerf others. If cannibalize channeled faster and could be used on a living mob it could be useful for mana return or a defensive etc.

Lots of things to do to make other things more interesting. I just don’t think they’ll ever do it.

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Buff undead touch of the grave by 1000% and it might get to 2% of damage. I like the cannibalize on living. If they are serious about racials(doubt it) they need to look at a LOT more than what they are, plus increase the buffs more than they are planning.

Ya touch of the grave has been pretty terrible for a long time.
May as well just turn it into 1% leech passively.

Please buff Humans. The replacement for Diplomacy was a slap in the face. It’s completely worthless. It should be like Vulpera’s at the very least.

Will to Survive, like Will of the Forsaken, should trigger your trinket CD by 30 secs MAX. It’s literally non existent for healers because their trinket is already 90 seconds.

It’s shell of its former self… and when compared to meld, stoneform, escape artist, hardiness it really sticks out how terrible it really is.

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