Mass aoe pulls are degenerate gameplay but kiting meta isn’t?
Buff all tanks.
Buff vengeance DH
And then buff all other tanks up to same level as vengeance
Maybe bring back the thing from MOP
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nerf vengeance (remove cheat death) buff prot warrior (bring back 90% ignore pain) buff prot pal (remove wog from gcd ty) buff blood dk (idk man, dont play) and buff guardian(iunno give thorns in pve and aoe bash? dont play fuzzy)
vengeance is overtuned and everyone else is undertuned, cut a bit off the top and bring up the rest, veng is the literal last thing that needs a buff
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There’s a lack of tanks in general and it’s cuz tanking just isn’t fun.
Tanks in general need to be buffed
They aren’t going to listen to you.
That trash pull before entering Hakkar’s hallway should be classified as a war crime.
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I agree that pull seems like it should be two pulls.
Unfortunately kiting has become so prevalent that just buffing tanks will just lead to even larger pulls and kiting. So blizzard would need to do more than just this.
I do agree that something needs to happen though.
Grab aggro and run like the wind …is not a fun tanking strategy. Especially if you play a tank class with limited “run” options.
they could bring back the thing from mop so tanks are incentavized to just facetank and do more dmg by taking more dmg
Use the urn on it, it’s not bad then.
Yeah maybe.
All I’m saying is the approach needs to be more wholistic than just allowing tanks to survive more hits. Otherwise tanks will just pull larger. Sure there may be a few “lazy” ones that just stay put because it’s easier, but the meta would shift to just pulling even larger.
So yeah it would have to be something like what you suggested, or changes to aggro, or whatever, but it can’t just be eating more hits.
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The Urn is on the Manastorm entrance isn’t it?
Unless you’re going to pull those two packs all the way down the stairs into the Rager pat to get that urn.
I mistook what he said to the pull before hakkar.
That pull before the entrance is an “all cooldown” pull.
Yeah buff me Blizza 
If doing your rotation made you more tanky such that you’d take less damage tanking then kiting it would do it.
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Vanilla had already solved this entire problem by making aggro actually relevant. The game has become so convulted and up it’s own butt it’s forgotten the basics
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This is basically legion tanking for most tanks. Doing rotation meant more/better AM meant more tankyness.
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I agree NERF DH!
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Both specs
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There aren’t a lack of tanks, we just don’t like pugging normals and heroics for players who think they’re about to be the next breakout M+ stream star.
Also, I don’t mind kiting, it’s more engaging than AoE tanking. I will say that I wouldn’t mind for both styles to be used. I don’t want to keep doing the same things over and over in different dungeons. We could use some more things like the Heigan Dance and ‘Run from the Lich King’ style dungeon encounters.
Yep, and when I mass root and split it into two manageable pulls I get yelled at for wasting time and pulling wrong.