https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/25#metric=playerscore&dataset=95&class=DPS
I saw some buffs for some classes that are underperforming, so when is it going to be our turn?
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Unfortunately they won’t be buffing ret until everyone begins outpacing us. Common practice seems to dictate if Ret is floating at the middle of the pack it’s balanced 
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Looks like ret is doing fine to me. Unless you’re in the bottom 5, or top 5 you should be fine. “Average” is what every class should strive to be.
Given people refusal to use consecration while whining about not enough DPS, or having gaps in their rotation that leads me to believe most people don’t know know how to play their class. After haste (gives it extra ticks) it does more damage than crusader strike even though people claim it doesn’t, plus it has an unlimited target cap.
People will literally whine on these forums for months until they are overpowered in the top 3 dps. And then they’ll find something else to complain about.
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Sir, I’m not going to just settle for average… if there’s no balance, there’s no average.
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Give it time? After the recent buffs Ret is nearing dead last…
You’re range is over 2 weeks sort by 1 week after this week is over, you will see Ret nearing dead last. Survival hunter is outpacing Ret. I mean yeah our only DPS spec is behind a ranged class variant. If you sort Castle Nathria Heroic by one day and I have for the last few days (to see what the recent buffs to several classes mean) you will see Ret at nearly the bottom. If you sort in the 210-215 item level range you will find Ret is in a bad place.
Back in December Ret was middle of the pac with all but Warriors and DH having a spec that performed higher. Warriors, Havoc and Frost should have goten buffed for PvE, I’m glad they did. Prior to the last round of buffs those classes already caught up to Ret, and mages had a god tier spec they could have played if they so chose.
Where is the arcane buff? Ret buff? hmmm?
Arcane is the only spec significantly lower than Ret. Ret is one of the lowest performing DPS classes in the game, then you add in the less than melee friendly mechanics in the current content and you have the least desirable DPS class in the game. Yeah survival isn’t desirable but they can respec to marks and be a MDI tier class, the same is true for arcane. Every class in this game has a better DPS spec than Ret.
I agree that middle of the pack is a good spot for Ret, I’d be happy with that so long as the other DPS classes are not outperforming while bringing more utility like AI, Lust, Shout and numerous other DPS increasing utility. These other abilities can account for 3% of your raids DPS I have devo which is taken care of by the holy paladin in the raid. A warrior for example can add thousands of DPS per second with just shout.
I have no issues with other classes doing more DPS but it can’t be 10%-20%, it can’t be a difference of 10-15 item levels. I shouldn’t have to have mythic on farm to compete with other DPS in heroic gear. If you are already one of the least desirable classes in the game, it’s more difficult to get heroic gear than the classes your competing with for a raid spot. Guild or PuG group your competing for a place.
A fire mage in settings like mythic plus using just covenant gear can out DPS a Ret paladin rocking heroic gear if the the group and the mage understand how a fire mage works…
I pay just as much for this game as a Fire mage, unholy DK, balance druid and WW monk. Why should I receive an inferior product? I’m glad those classes are in a good spot, but how about a little love for bottom tier specs like Ret.
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Well that’s what I’m trying to say, they can global anyone and when I engage in combat with them, I want to do the same thing.
My typical rotation is I pop bubble immediately into combat, use HOJ and then use my wings, they should be dead 2 seconds into the stun typically but now it doesn’t work as good anymore, so I need more ret damage.
Sad but true. Ret dps is the most triggering spec of all WoW. The crying started in Wrath. Since then we’ve been getting nerfed and suppressed ever since
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Result of all the crying. Right when we were feeling good about our dps
I don’t know if Retribution needs a buff, but it’s fairly obvious the top 4 need a nerf. Balance, Fire Mage, Affliction, and Wind Walker all need some pretty hefty damage reductions.
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Buffs are always better than nerfs to any class. They should buff ret to be in line to fire mage in both pve and pvp.
As it is ret can’t compete with fire mages in both offense and defence.
Normally, yes, but this is a case where most of the other classes are doing fine, and those 4 are simply way too strong.
This also crosses over to PvP as well, where a solid 10% nerf would probably bring them in line.
It’s easier(and better) to just nerf those 4, than buff the HP and DPS of every other DPS specialization.
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I understand the sentiment, but honestly, I have never felt that plate wearers should be doing the same damage as cloth wearers. There was a reason why back in the day mages in general were called glass cannons. I don’t ever think we should be doing as much dps as a mage. Our class isn’t supposed to be even close to that kind of damage.
That said, I personally just want our DPS to be more competitive with other melee/plate wearing classes. I know that we do slightly better than unholy DK currently, and I think that’s it. SO we still need a buff, but to bring us up to mage status is a little silly imo.
At the same item level Unholy in Raid does around 10% more than ret overall (all fights combined) single target the gap is larger. In M+ Unholy is even further ahead, Unholy is a staple in the MDI tournament. I would guess with what I’ve seen from the MDI, unholy is likely to do 20% more damage if not more.
But the problem is mages aren’t glass canons with triune iceblock and cauterise and insane self healing from conduits and pvp talents they are a walking unstoppable juggernaut
Then their survivability needs to be nerfed is what you’re saying. It doesn’t sound like we need an insane dps boost as much as cloth wearers need to be nerfed again to be the actual glass canons they should be.
Deal tons of damage, but hit them with a knuckle sandwich and they die. That’s the way they should be. Blizzard should never had let cloth wearers have such insane survivability. Because as you stated, now we have the issue of them essentially being like us plate wearers but with high dps.
Well just look at AWC. No double melee team successfully trained a fire mage and win a game. It’s always the other dps or healer. Hence (warrior) / fire mage / (heal) meta.
Ret warrior healer even prior to wog nerf can’t match a fire mage despite utility due to insane mage damage and survivability
The thing you need to keep in mind is that every spec below ret belongs to a class with at least one spec above ret. Ret was pretty firmly in the middle of the pack when the expansion launched, but everything below the middle of the pack got some pretty substantial buffs which has left ret kind of swinging in the wind.
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I don’t necessarily agree with this, because there’s more than one way to deal damage.
For example, every cloth wearer has ranged damage. No plate wearer has sustained ranged damage.
I could argue that because range is superior to melee, melee should deal more damage.
I’m more concerned with the type of damage first, then we can talk about damage values.
I wonder if they will do anything before some of the healing specs out DPS Ret pallies?
What type of armor you wear hasn’t mattered in years. Sure your armor stat might be higher, but your kit is actually what matters. I’d wager mage was much, much better survivability than a retribution paladin does, and that’s what actually matters. Once you look past the surface level for paladins, we actually have garbage tier survivability.
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