Buff Outlaw / Sub and Nerf Sin

Diversity is fun.

So difficult to find partner(s) as outlaw and sub.

Outlaw’s mastery is a misery. It only increases a 4-digit physical attack damage with a fixed 30% proc chance.
Our hard-earned 6 combo points Dispatch dmg is a joke.

Bring back gouge for Sub.

Nerf Sin damage a bit.

Just my 2c. Cheers.

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Sub is fine, can’t really buff it without making it super crazy anyways

It’s just designed incorrectly but the spec is T1 lol

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I’d be fine with Rogue’s damage so long as they can die. Just nerf Assassination’s Vial, imo. Sub is already good so a defensive nerf to Assassination would make Sub stronger on its own.

Bring back gouge for sub and make it not dr with poly :100: GOD BLESS AMERICA I DIDNT WANNA PLAY THE GAME ANYWAYS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

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Gouge, garrote, poisons back for sub! And 1 min dance. And prep sub only.

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Vulti ur now my best friend. Also remove nightblade and bring back hemo and rupture

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this vulti guy is alright.

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Lets not make another Outlaw meta season.

Auzz likes being kidneyed on cd just cus :crazy_face:

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<33

ten chars

Yeah we like rogues that kidney on cd, them sweet dr kidney are still killing you because of disgusting damage :crazy_face:

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sub is fine, got eviscerated for 186k by some guy named evasionx.

There is no way they can buff Sub damage without having to nerf their control or they’ll be the most broken thing in the game.

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Nerf sins damage, give us back gouge, dismantle, and deadly throw interrupt.

LMAO. yeah right.

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Smh… no.

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And gag order and blanket cs and while we’re at it let’s just start combining abilities like Ursols with bladestorm and chaosbolt with coil

Season 5 - 8 gladiator gloves? /shrug

its poor design makes it mostly rely on corruption/trinkets to end a game

the whole going back to pre-legion design by removing shadow-theme in sland is cool considering shadow-theme made it more boring & dumbed down IMO, but i’d like to see some specific things like:
remove shadowy duel
bring back gouge (on high energy cost)
1dance charge 1min CD, 10sec duration (old iteration), rather than 3 charges on 5sec duration
buff backstab a little

and now sub feels a little more whole

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Outlaw S1 was pretty fun, but going back to S1 Outlaw damage with 8.3 damage and healing would be absurd. Any damage buff directly goes into leech healing and double vial + essences makes it an absolute tank between CD usages.

That being said, I think all they would need to do is roll back the BtE, Disarm, and Deadshot nerfs by a few percentage points. 5-10% would be huge. Outlaw has a ton of control so it should never have the on demand damage of sin or sub, but man it feels like it can consistently get people down to 2-5% and there’s just nothing left in the tank.

As for sub, I think a straight damage buff would be terrifying. They don’t have a damage problem. They have a mechanical problem. They’d need to move some of their burst damage to sustain otherwise we’re going to be dropping in a cheapshot. We already know at this point that anything outside of a % change on the backend is best left for Shadowlands.

And as an side, Outlaw buffed would make life hell for destros and mages. It’s a win for everyone!