BM doesnt need a buff since Marks is good for PvP and Surv is good for PvE all 3 specs dont have to be stong for every class in every expac if you dont like it then dont play the class/spec its a simple choice
You donât understand, feral is within 2% dps of fury warr, frost mage, and BM hunter, that means all the dps are on par.
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Feral druids had their time to shine in WOTLK while other specs like Enhancement shamans floundered. Enh has been and still is near the bottom.
Buff Enhancement Shamans.
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No enh shamans played spellhance all WoTLK and stole caster gear from casters. all 3 specs dont need to be viable
Lol Feral Druid is S tier for tanking and broken in PvP right now it doesnt need a buff stop crying and be a tank or play restro
Based on what? If we look at 95th percentile logs (feel free to select a different ranking, and maybe any reasoning as to why any percentile is better than another for determining which specs are good), we see that Balance druid, shadow priest, combat rogue and all warlock specs are in pretty similar places.
Feral druid dps doesnt need a buff its fine where its at. EVERY SPEC of EVERY CLASS doesnt HAVE TO BE S Tier.
Some classes do better on some fights than others. If you are high parsing but low dmg then that fight does not play to your strength. There are other fights that will. Dmg is within 2-4% of eachother for most of the content.
What you want is a flavorless buff that homogenizes classes to all be the same, because thatâs the only way youâd get dps to do the exact same numbers on each fight, with no variance between fights. Thatâs a silly way to balance and why retail felt like dog water with no class flavor.
Not once have I advocated to buff anything? Where are you pulling this out of? Never said to buff feral, never said to buff boomkin either. In fact I have called repeatedly for them to reverse the change and buffs they gave to boomkin.
I have said they would be better off coming up with ideas and posting suggestions on how to buff feral without buffing it in pvp.
The only thing I have rebutted with you is your constant assertion of all dps is within 2-4% of each other, which itâs not⌠not even close.
Sure, but when warcraft logs has this nifty feature to average ALL encounters that is a mute point.
You can also sort it by dps numbers rather than âscoreâ. Iâll set it to âmaxâ since you always like to say people donât know how to play their class.
fire mage - 79,175 (26.4% above next)
combat rogue - 58,260 (6.1% above next)
surv hunter - 54,730 (2.3% above next)
UH DK - 53,525 (1.1% above next)
Arms - 52,989 (4.6% above next)
ele - 50,582 (0.4% above next)
shadow - 50,339 (2.7% above next)
demo - 49,016 (1.6% above next)
balance - 48,266 (3.1% above next)
Afflock - 46,804 (2.5% above next)
Assassination - 45,657 (0.3% above next)
Frost DK - 45,552 (3.8 above next)
Ret - 43,860 (0.7% above next)
Destro - 43,570 (5% above next)
enh sham - 41,393 (0.8% above next)
feral - 41,098 (2.7% above next)
--------------------------- meme specs ---------------------
sub rogue - 40,010 (6.8% above next)
arcane - 37,324 (2.2% above next)
MM hunter - 36,503 (8.1% above next)
BM hunter - 33,572 (3.7% above the next)
Frost Mage - 32,360 (4.7% above next)
Fury war - 30,867
That is the average from ALL encounters, not cherry picking bosses. Which would mean bad and good fights for all classes in the average.
That is a 48% dps difference between the lowest preforming (non meme) spec and the top preforming spec. Even if you took firemageâs absurd difference out of the equation itâs still a 21.5% difference between the lowest and second highest.
hell fire mage is 26.5% higher than the next closest. How is that a 2-4% difference between all dps?
The differences are all additive too, itâs not like saying 2-4% gap between each class even means a 2-4% difference across the board.
The lowest dps class would have to be averaging 76,008 dps to fit your statement of 2-4% difference between all dps specs. which no one is even close to that except fire mage.
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lol lets do the average on bosses that are not heavy cleave fights dont take halfus, malork fights those are massive AoE cleave fights and impact the average dps look at the single target fights and youll see that all class dps is within 4%
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Just look how wildly the numbers shift for âbest dpsâ when you swap between 10 and 25m on single target fights like Chimeron.
These people see âbig bar = better barâ, with no context.
100% my point exactly people cant use common sense.
Funny enough, Maloriak is one of feralâs only two decent fights in the whole tier. Itâs bottom tier on Chimaeron and Atramedes (the most âPatchwerkâ fights of the tier). Also, the gap on Chimaeron between bottom dps and top is far larger than 4%. A 90% unholy is doing like 15% more than a 90% feral on Chimaeron, 28.9k vs 25.3k. If I look at 99% the gap is even larger, fire is doing almost 20% more damage than enhancement shaman (not even dead last, just the lowest spec people actually play) on a single target fight.
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Thatâs average for every boss period, which is a far greater representation of class averages than cherry picking only single target or only cleave fights.
Funny how you donât use it yourself when making comments like the one above.
I gave the context in the post, why would you state that there is no context other then the fact you are an idiot and donât know how to argue your factually wrong point any further and are trying to redirect? The context is itâs average damage of all encounters and bigger bar means the class is doing more damage. That is quite literally the only thing that matters in the discussion of dps. You say all classes across the board are within a 2-4% dps margin. I made you look like an idiot proving you wrong with factual data. Try to redirect another way, but wait you did and failed for the 8th time.
10 vs 25 averages are still massive gaps, Iâm not typing it all out again just like I did for 25. You go ahead and bring up dps average for all encounters and type it out and calculate the dps differences. Iâm not wasting my time doing it again the burden is on you. Knowing you, based off all your other posts, you wonât do it either or you will just fudge the numbers like an idiot thinking people canât fact check it in 5 seconds because the actual data doesnât help your point.
We going to keep arguing just to argue still, even though youâve been proven factually wrong time after time again?
Just keep arguing till your dying breath because you canât admit when you are wrong? Too hard to take the L? Your ego just too big? Itâs okay facts proved you wrong again. You can keep talking in circles all you want. You canât convince anyone you are right when all the data says you are talking out your butt.
Next rebuttal? Iâll wait for you to pull out your post notes to write ideas down, pin them to you your dart board, and start throwing darts. That would assume you have some kind of talent, maybe we should stick with post notes crumbled up into a hat. Go ahead and draw one, what does it say?
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The facts that you are using an average when thereâs so many fights that have such HIGH AOE/cleave on them that bring up the average dps is stupid!!! thatâs why your numbers are inaccurate, and we are trying to explain this to you. but you donât seem to understand that!!!
Also this is CLASSIC stop asking for changes and enjoy the game as close to how it was played in og version stop requesting changes if you want class balances go play Retail.
You donât need to explain anything to me because Iâm right. But here let me explain something to you. ALL OF CATA is mostly aoe/cleave. SO IT MATTERS. trying to base a classâs dps number based on single target which makes up less than 5% of Cataclysmâs boss fights would be the âstupidâ thing to do like you are suggesting. So yes, ALL ENCOUNTER AVERAGE is the most accurate way to compare dps.
Is that dumbed down enough for you to understand? God I hope so.
For the 3rd time, since you apparently do not read. I AM NOT ASKING FOR CHANGES. I AM SIMPLY PROVIDING FACTUAL DATA. I wouldnât be here providing said data if idiots werenât here claiming that all dps is equal in cata and that all dps is within 2-4% of each other.
So what is your stance since you seem to have changed it multiple times now. Is all dps equal? or are classes unballanced and do massively more damage than others? Can you please pick a stance and stick with it or at least admit you were wrong before flip flopping back and forth.
Because your new stance seems to have changed again, let me fix your post for you
âYes Dnerve you are right and I am wrong, Dps isnât balanced and all classes are not within 2-4% of each other like some suggest here. It wasnât originally and classic should remain unbalanced as it was originally.â
I have actually protested the boomy changes they made and actively seek for them to reverse the changes.
There are 31 raid bosses in the entirety of WoW cata so if 5% where single that means only 1.55% of the 31 bosses are Single target.
Well you where right about it being dumb.
Lol you contradicted yourself in the same post!!!
I mean are you really counting the extra 3 bosses of BH? really? all of this phase has ONE true single target boss encounter. If you want to count BH which can be 15 manned on 25 then okay 2? Going further firelands has ONE single target boss encounter. Dragon soul has ZERO. So of the 28 ACTUAL raid bosses of the expansion only 2 encounters are TRUE single target fights. So about 7% sorry I was off with rounding it to 5% lol?
Asking them to remove changes that they made? So the game remains as it originally was with no balance changes, Are you okay? Did you hit your head? In what world⌠just⌠lol⌠okay thatâs the IQ level Iâm dealing with, IQ level of a wooden bench. Iâll try to dumb things down further in the future.
Guess you are to the trolling stage since you were embarrassed.
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TLDR
embarrassed about being right checks out
I wouldnât call being proven wrong consecutive times being right. More like slapped across the face with a tuna, whatever helps you sleep at night with that inferiority complex and ego.
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maybe you should look at all the times you where proven wrong and take some of your own advice