I really think thats the 1 thing keeping ele from being top tier right now. We have great tools in every other area. Good utility and good survivability. However, the damage we put out while free casting just isn’t meaningful enough. If some ww/dk can train me and shut me down then as soon as I’m able to break free I should be able to meaningfully pressure them. Similarly, if a melee cleave is sitting on my lock and I’m able to free cast I should be able to meaningfully pressure them. Currently, especially with how op mw healing is, this just isn’t the case. I don’t think ele is bad by any means but it feels pretty lackluster.
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Nah its not your spec. Melee just aren’t kill targets with a mw on their team.
Nah it’s not just melee. Rmpally is equally immortal and so are locks. That pretty much makes up the entire ladder so yea pretty sure my spec has a dmg issue in this meta
Yep yep, that’s been the case since halfway through season 1. Ele is incredibly strong, it doesnt need buffs. Survivability of the immortal classes should be lowered and then you would see how strong it is
What are u basing this ele being incredibly strong thing on. I play my ele every day and I’m sure I have more experience with the class than you do. Nerfing survivability of The tanky specs would require a total rebalance of arena. Locks have to be tanky to survive the insane dmg ww/dk and such can put out. Dk/dh has to be tanky to survive destro/fire mage and stuff. It’s an insane power creep and my point is ele is behind this powercreep.
No it’s really not where do you just decide this stuff.
Cool. Not talking to biased elemental shamans about this. Ele pumps, has good utility and a channeled stun usable around pillars. Its survivability is weaker in comparison to fire mages and destruction locks, but so is every other caster.
Ele was top of A tier last season and prolly tier 1 this season if not still top of A tier with the correct full gear and the pacing this arena season brings.
I think the pacing of the games going to stay faster than s3 once people get correctly stated / corrupted gear / r12 cloaks.
NA people in general just don’t enjoy the type of games that ele has to play so it’s harder to find solid teammates willing to play with it.
The most beneficial thing would be to increase its dmg of both builders and spenders in general and lower the effects of modifiers like lava shock / ig traits.
Casting 1.7 sec lava bursts for 18k is a joke and in pve those are literally 35-40k
I think 30k lava bursts with 25k overloads would be a healthy spot for their sustained dmg but doubt that every becomes standard this season.
Again what are you basing this off of, listing spell books does nothing.
Tournament performance? List positive patch ups, maybe some of the top eles j the world not playing the spec or memeing about it in their streams conveys a point
In comparison to fire and destro, cc is less, damage is less, survivability is less. Dont forget to point that out
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Eles in general have always been complainers even when their specs good.
Lots of Eles still complained in legion cuz it had unfun mus to play vs despite being pretty nuts itself
It’s still a really good spec tho. If you buffed ele it would need a nerf immediately. I understand it suffers against the meta matchups, but maybe something should happen to change the meta over buffs to an already strong spec
Everyone complains, that’s neither here nor there. There’s blatant power creep.
When someone is arguing that ret melee cleaves is better than anything has access to it should speak volumes.
The stigma is there for a reason
Speaking of spellbooks you know ele has had much more threatening presence in the past with cooldowns like elemental mastery.
Using phrases arbitrarily like “incredibly strong” makes your argument weak when you cant list positive match ups and say its weak in the meta. Hello thats a blatant contradiction
Wow doesn’t have metas like every other pvp game, stuff like league/dota/fps’ have true metas when stuff becomes strong counters in items/heroes etc rise in popularity and if nothing rises the devs step in a hem whats overpowered.
In WoW you see stuff like every damage tool in ele’s kit get nerfed, utility like earthgrab removed while something like destro has some of the best burst, survivability, cc in the game remain unchanged.
but alas i’m biased so w/e
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Ele’s damage is really good right now. It’s just the meta.
Regardless of bad players complaining ele had plenty of representation at high ratings in legion. Currently it has 0. I’ve queued at 2100-2300 last couple of weeks and have literally faced 0 eles. Gonnas is the top ele atm at like 2240 or something. That’s pathetic.
I really want you to start showing examples instead of just talking out your derrière of what makes something strong but not good regardless.
The spec is functional but many gcds behind the meta specs for what builds momentum and pressure.
Classes like Mage and Destro have option selects (if you’ve played fighters) You kick a mage/destro they will fear/ring/poly etc
A mage/destro/spriest left to free casts will stunt your offensive with spammable cc/prio 1 abilities. An ele with struggle to if purging/off healing/damage is worth because of thrash buffs/weak off heals/weak Lightning bolt and LvB nukes
Ele and boom have the worst off heals, a WW doesn’t have to off heal because of their blatant offensive pressure is a peel in itself. A ret can get 100k WoGs or Flashes. A free casting priest has a lot more off heal while dpsing or CC.
Again other specs have more valuable GCDs, hence my whole unprune purge post.
Like it’s extremely annoying to just be called biased (which I am) for the wrong reasons. I’m biased because the same problems I face at my rat league LFG games happens to Ele’s a 1000 rating higher than mine
This stuff happens literally in game, I’m not a forum warrior calling myself unplayable or a DH asking why mages can make food in arena.
To be fair, Gonas is a god imo scariest ele on the ladder.