Bring Twink Queues Back

[Zycci-whisperwind]

I entered plenty of dungeons in said gear and didn’t get booted, weird isn’t it? It’s actually as if you don’t truly get punished for not turning off your xp and getting more gear than is possible for your character without turning it off in any other content except PvP.

If you’re running so many dungeons then you should have plenty of nice gear. So, what’s all the fuss about again?

It’s funny because most of the people that twink are actually pretty awful and that’s why they twink, to outgear people to death.

Yeah, that statement is funny.

But hey, feel free to show up all the bads. If your pvp achievements are better than those of the xpoff toons in this thread, I’ll eat my words.

Oh I’m sorry. I should have paid a group of statisticians to do a case study on the likelyhood of votekicking based on ilvl just so some guy who likes to pretend every internet discussion is his high school debate class will stop trying to act smart.

Seriously…

What’s his source… himself? lol

[Floyln-tichondrius (Floyln)]

But hey, feel free to show up all the bads. If your pvp achievements are better than those of the xpoff toons in this thread, I’ll eat my words.

They’re honor lvl 1.

[anon99935721]

If you think it’s bad now, you ain’t seen nothing. Wait till you got people at level 29 running around in Warforged gear tearing through your level 20 characters who couldn’t ‘afford’ (How the hell this is possible when this games been out 14 years that you can’t afford a 100 gold enchant for an heirloom chest that will last you 100 levels is beyond me) enchants. They’re making drop gear possible to proc as epic, which means an even bigger gap between levelers and pvpers. I promise you will whine about that too, and you will make a lot of threads about it too. And the same people in this thread will migrate over to that thread and whine there too. If you spent HALF as much time moaning and crying in these threads as you do actually putting together a character, we wouldn’t have these.

[Astunishing-amanthul]

@Zycci-whisperwind

Or, instead of continuing to try to lower the bar, we could raise it. Make a minimum level of gear to enter. Trust me, people who can’t be bothered to improve their gear at all, aren’t going to “win by skill” anyway.

That’s exactly what this suggestion is about:

@Welfarê-silvermoon

Set a minimum ilevel requirement that must be met in order for you to participate within instanced PvP

@Zycci-whisperwind

What’s next, penalize raiders for having raid gear better than yours or arena geared players in max level bgs? No, up your game instead of trying to downgrade others who earned what they have. You can earn the same stuff.

Noone is seeking to penalise high performers. What they’re seeking is to penalise psychopaths who turn xp off with the intention to abuse gear advantage infinitely. Introducing an iL cap on all gear pieces inside PvP Instance for those who have xp set to “off” will cause these sc@mbags to fade into thin air because they won’t be able to get 2 shot freekills infinitely anymore:

@Tarjana-amanthul

Set an item level cap within Instanced PvP on each gear piece for xp-off characters to a heirloom baseline for that character level

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@Voroneg-amanthul

It will only affect those who made a conscious decision to turn their xp off and abuse the gear advantage indefinitely inside PvP Instances!
It will not affect normal players, who will not have gear pieces above heirloom baseline in any PvP bracket below max level one. Ain’t nobody got time for that!
It will not affect twinks that deck out in top gear but keep their xp on. They can continue enjoy stomping scrubs, but for a limited time, as they will level out into next level bracket, and will have to re-BiS before resuming their carnage.
It will not affect ethical twinks who want their xp set to off but also do not want to have their gear downscaled inside PvP Instances. They can play wargames vs other twinks, where everyones gear will be completely unaffected.
The only ones who will be affected are graveyard farming maniacs who live to stomp the living life out of undergeared scrubs infinitely, compromising the twink community in the process, by causing massive qq from scrubs and providing a basis for idiotic suggestions like dividing the brackets again, which scarily enough doesn’t sound so idiotic because the minimum and maximum gear disparity in most brackets inside PvP Instances is still a cruel joke, albeit not as bad as 80-84 bracket back in MoP days where you had people in level 70 end gear vs people in level 85 end gear (MoP lvl 80 world drop blues had a same iL as heroic 85 purples) but its still bad.

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

Now they are psychopaths? You could always get better gear. Also you clearly don’t know how gear works. Heirloom and updated gear has the same ilvl as twinks use. And I’m very in favor of setting a minimum ilvl requirement.

[Tarjana-amanthul]

@Jugajr-emerald-dream

Now they are psychopaths?

Those who turn xp off with the intention to abuse BiS gear within Instanced PvP always had wirings crossed in my books. 95% of games with >10% of BiS xp-offs end up in enemy team’s gy.

@Jugajr-emerald-dream

You could always get better gear.

Scrubs don’t want to get better gear.

@Remblin-kelthuzad

They don’t want to have to get gear.

They don’t want to have to get gems.

They don’t want to have to get anything.

@Jugajr-emerald-dream

Also you clearly don’t know how gear works. Heirloom and updated gear has the same ilvl as twinks use.

@Tarjana-amanthul

especially in 100-109 bracket

But BiS gear being much higher iL than heirloom baseline is not limited to that bracket. BiS gear that twinks use in each and every bracket is higher iL than heirloom and “updated?” gear (remember, scrubs are not “updating” anything. why, see above)

@Jugajr-emerald-dream

And I’m very in favor of setting a minimum ilvl requirement.

Great, so am I and a lot of people here. Give the following suggestion an upvote, as its good enough to have its own thread.

@Welfarê-silvermoon

Set a minimum ilevel requirement that must be met in order for you to participate within instanced PvP

[Lannfear-dalaran]

I turned off my XP at 39 to see how much ‘skill’ it actually takes to destroy people. I am not even BiS, but getting there and it is an absolute joke. Levellers just fall one after another. I haven’t even bothered to learn the class, I just mash three buttons over and over haha.

The only time there is even a remote challenge in low level BG’s is when there are other twinks in the game.

I would check my dmg against other levellers playing the same class and spec as I am and they are doing about half my dmg for the same abilities. No one can claim I have any skill with my 39, because there are hardly any buttons to press lol.

Here are some average abilities numbers from recount:
Rampage:
me: 171 (225%)
leveller: 75

Raging Blow:
me: 110 (174%)
leveller: 63

Attack:
me: 86 (159%)
leveller: 54

Execute:
me: 421 (155%)
leveller: 271

EDIT: an actual BIS twink’s numbers were even higher than mine for the same abilities haha.

While getting the gear was actually fun to do, levellers have absolutely no place in the queue with twinks.

Anyone claiming that BiS can be easily attained in dungeons and quest gear are not taking the following into account:

Levellers leave their BoA’s on (it gives extra XP). The number of dungeons/quests it would take to get gear that is better suited for PvP (stats-wise) would have you level out of the bracket before you got to BG.

Separate queues, or do something drastic to make it even remotely competitive. Right now any twink claiming they have skill vs levellers is full of it. It takes no skill whatsoever, just gear.

[Greyhide-khadgar (Greyhide)]

I turned off my XP at 39 to see how much ‘skill’ it actually takes to destroy people. I am not even BiS, but getting there and it is an absolute joke. Levellers just fall one after another. I haven’t even bothered to learn the class, I just mash three buttons over and over haha.

I did similar when I tried a twink to see what it was like. I could hop around all pleb-like and half-pay attention to the game and I won. As I mentioned before, it gave me the same feeling I got when I used a game genie on a nintendo game. I was like “oh yay…” and got bored.

You are correct, there is no skill involved. I would bet money that those who claim it honestly do not believe it but say it to try and get a rise out of people.

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

Anyone claiming that BiS can be easily attained

As of this patch, BiS is not even realistic anymore, even for twinks. With the rare/epic upgrades to the quest rewards, the best anyone can hope for is 80%-90%, and only on the high side if they faction transfer back and forth. You’re likely never to see someone in true BiS anymore lol

[Lannfear-dalaran]

As of this patch, BiS is not even realistic anymore, even for twinks. With the rare/epic upgrades to the quest rewards, the best anyone can hope for is 80%-90%, and only on the high side if they faction transfer back and forth. You’re likely never to see someone in true BiS anymore lol

I am not BiS on my 39 and it is obscenely overpowered. So I don’t think only getting 80-90% BiS even matters.

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

Does this mean you feel its more of a balance issue, whether it be class or abilities?

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

I would check my dmg against other levellers

Did you check the #s compared to a “Leveler” with Quest Epics?
With the new system in place, this would have many different variables.

“Epics for Everyone”

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

Was this what you were holding onto, Kang?

[Lannfear-dalaran]

Does this mean you feel its more of a balance issue, whether it be class or abilities?

I compared myself to a leveller with the same class and same spec and same abilities and hit for nearly twice what they did. So no, it is not that.

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

Can we see your 39 and the leveler 39 you are comparing? It’s so we can see the comparisons too.

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Levelers were complaining about gear disparity?
Say no more!

“Epics for Everyone”

[Lannfear-dalaran]

Did you check the #s compared to a “Leveler” with Quest Epics?
With the new system in place, this would have many different variables.

“Epics for Everyone”

What level do you have to be to ensure that these epic quest rewards give you the best for a 39? a 49? How many can one feasibly do before levelling out of a bracket?

You give me a list of BiS quest epics and I will see how many I can get before 29, starting on a fresh Kul Tiran at 20.

Twinks are so OP it is ridiculous.

I see why you were trying to hide your numbers now, they are surely to be even higher than mine.

Twinking is fun, but levellers should not be in the queue with them.

[Tomganks-lothar]

with the intention to abuse BiS gear

Abuse BiS gear? It’s BiS, why wouldn’t you try and get it? Is it abuse if someone gets the best tune-ups for their car? Or the best ingredients for their dish? “Abuse” is suddenly losing its meaning and becoming a soy-boy term

Now obviously if something is TOO op, it needs to be tuned. But that’s not on the players, that’s on Blizzard to patch, or even on them for implementing it in the first place without double-checking.

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

You give me a list

No handouts on patch day, I am tired.

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

Twinking is fun, but levellers should not be in the queue with them.

This change is beneficial to keep the queues together and find a solution to the perceived imbalances. If we go back to separation, rerolling twinks have even more incentive to keep rerolling their twinks lol