The current talent trees will face exactly the same problem as vanilla talent trees: becoming bloated and meaningless over time, when people getting more levels and points.
There is no need for unnecessarily complicated trees with meaningless points in-between and pathing problem.
The more complicated it is, the less likely players will actually read it, and more likely they will just copy/paste from 3rd party website.
Bring back the 7 rows of 3 options Legion/BFA/SL talent trees, no pathing requirement, easy and fast to set up, and ready to go in less than 1 minutes.
Complicated =/= hard =/=good, Simple =/= easy =/= bad.
Under current WoW status, complication is the least thing needed.
I think this new design works well, especially when hero talents do add a bit of the old style. I like the “puzzle” of choices you have to make, the trade-offs involved.
I will admit that I liked the talent trees when you could build your own hybrid characters between the three specs.
Comparing to past, current trees are not simple. They are in fact the most complicated trees in wow history.
Current spec has 2 trees (class tree & spec tree) that have more points and pathing routes than ever.
Each point in the 7x3 talent trees were actually big meaningful choices. And now are seeing boring talents like +10%/20% coming back, just like in vanilla trees.
Easy import of premade is exactly the problem I mentioned: When the trees are so complicated, people are not bothered to read or know it anymore, it is just much easier to copy/paste, without even knowing your class/spec.
Nope. From MoP to Shadowlands, that talent system was boring and disappointing. It never got better.
The current system is the best iteration of talents ever put into the game, imo. I love this system and I want it to remain the standard going forward forever.
Anywhose, NO and in case you’re not hearing us no.
Those were good for those expansions.
This is not Legion , thiss is not WoD or any of the others.
We get it you don’t like the new tree with the hero talents and we understand it is an adjustment setting talents up but liek any other talent tree change(guess what) you’ll get used to it sooner or later.
When you just rando pick what talents you take of course it’s going to feel bad.
It’s really okay to take your time and research the trees before going goosey and putting them anywhere.
Guessing you didn’t survive much in vanilla or the earlier xpansions.
Talent trees used to be harder on deciphering and we did have half the resources we do now to research them better.
So maybe think what your tick in your trees before setting them.
these new talents trees in wow are the biggest illusion of choice any game has ever seen.
so much stuff should be baseline. many of these talents will never be taken. the rest is scenario based, and these that are scenario based should be baseline to the class anyway.
Nope. I pretty regularly would change mine around while I played. If you feel they are copy/paste then you’re doing it wrong. Legitimately a skill issue.
Complexity and versatility aren’t the same as complication. There are more choices to be made but they are perfectly comprehensible.
It’s not a problem though. It’s just a convenience. Just because you copy a build doesn’t mean you aren’t still understanding how to play it. People used to copy builds for the old trees as well.
No thanks, i like to build my own characters by spending a tiny amount of time experimenting so my build is optimal to what i want. It’s probably not mathematically the top build but i like it and that’s what i like about the tree’s and not just 5 or7 rows of 3 “choices”.
What is funny is people on here want to pretend that they are changing their talents all the time but in reality they only really change between a ST Raid Built a MT Raid Build and an M+ build (all likely copied from wowhead) and are changing maybe 1-2 talent points depending on the boss/dungeon.