A pvp server in retail? Just don’t join it lol.
And we’ve been through this, you want a pvp server, go to classic servers. PVP servers were removed for a reason and they’re not coming back to retail.
Or just que for battlegrounds and enjoy PVP 24/7 any time you want
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It’s funny to see people be against a server they would have no interest in joining. It makes no sense
It’s funny to see people argue for a server design that failed previously where they think others will pay to be harassed and ganked. It’s funny to see those people who claim to love pvp not have the spinal fortitude to turn on warmode which gives them everything a pvp server does minus the ability to gank. It just makes no sense.
oh look. we are back to the real problem; people whining about pvp happening on pvp servers.
you know what REALLY makes no sense? joining a pvp server then whining about pvp.
you know what also makes no sense? being against other people having options they want that YOU DONT HAVE TO PARTAKE IN.
There’s no real problem. You have Warmode, but choose not to use it despite the fact it fills every PvP server experience you could have except for killing sub-level-20s.
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it has been explained to you, repeatably, in excruciating detail, and with small words, that it is not the same.
your inability to comprehend that is not anyone elses problem, nor is it justification for denying people who want the option.
Just because you say “nuh-uh” doesn’t make it not the same. It, quite literally, is identical if you remove the ability to kill sub-20s in the classic leveling zones.
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you already cant kill lowbies on pvp servers because the first few zones you play in are your own faction’s rather than neutral so you arent flagged.
that isnt what pvp servers offer that we want. if you had two wits to rub together you would have grasped that by now.
Then there’s nothing you do want that isn’t offered by warmode.
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as i said, you cant understand why we want it. which is fine… DONT SIGN UP FOR IT
You can’t understand it enough to make a case for why it needs to exist.
I do understand what you want. You don’t understand that we are trying to explain to you, that what you want has no long term viability.
No alts? Dead on arrival
No flying? Dead on arrival
No group finder? Dead on arrival
And you want them to innovate new content around your very specific demands that maybe will appeal to 10% of players? Dead on arrival.
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“you think you do, but you dont”
You’ve not made a single compelling argument in favor of the idea. You yourself don’t do world pvp.
This is exactly my point. And why they tried to tell you classic wouldn’t work long term. Because some players want changes. Others want no changes.
They cannot make both things happen at once.
And no matter how hard you try, you will not be able to re-create the sense of newness or excitement that was 2005.
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And look at you expecting people to pay to be harassed in violation of ToS. I’m not against you having options. I’m against you having options at the cost of other people’s ability to play the game they paid for. Likewise if you really cared about pvp you would already be in warmode. Yet you refuse to flip it on and play because you’re all fussy you can’t camp low level players and hide behind “but muh world pvp”.
Oh really, it’s different eh? Let’s see, can you fight other people in warmode at any time so long as they’re also in warmode, yes you can. Can you potentially get jumped at any time, yes you can. People are voluntarily flagging themselves saying they’re up for a fight any time any where. So let’s see, what’s different. Oh that’s right, you can’t force yourself on other people who have no interest in playing with you. That’s the difference.
The justification for saying we don’t want pvp servers is they failed. If you want pvp then you can join bgs, arena, duel with people, or go to a pvp server in classic. Or just turn on warmode and quit whining. The fact that you’re demanding other people having to play with you essentially is good enough reason to never bring pvp servers back all on its own.
If this is the case, then warmode gives you everything an old pvp server did. So what’s the old up save for you wanting to feel special?
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To be fair, the original system did allow for a stronger community. Rivalries, grudges, etc. More often than not, you knew the other player you were fighting. They knew you. You knew who the top guilds were on your server. You knew who the GMs and HWLs were.
But it’s not 2005 anymore. To bring that back, would require losing too much else.
as i said a moment ago, it has been explained repeatably what a pvp server would offer that does not exist elsewhere on retail.
hint; pvp is only a part of it.