I’m on 20 boss kills and have 0 loot. 8 normal, 9 heroic, 3 lfr. Yes, I went to the depths of lfr hell and even that yielded nothing. Not saying loot didn’t drop, I just pass on things I don’t need. Meanwhile I’m seeing greedy healers rolling and getting dps trinks, people with 4p tier pulling less dps than those with none.
Personal worked and no one complained except the top guilds who want to compete in their dumb rAcE to WorLd FiRSt so they can feed gear.
30* raid kills now. Still nothing.
Getting no loot has nothing to do with group loot. It actually has to do with the insanely low number of drops. Only one piece per 5 people in raid.
On average 2 out of every 10 people would get 0 loot after 30 boss kills. So is that pretty unlucky? yeah, but not overly so.
You can’t really say that you’ve gotten no loot when you aren’t rolling for it. It’s there, you just don’t want it. Not every boss is going to drop the perfect piece you need, and when it only drops a few items out of its loot table, the likelihood of it dropping the exact item you need is even lower.
What does this really have to do with you not getting the drops you want? The healer might play dps as an off spec and the people with 4p might just be bad. Neither have nothing to do with you and gear.
Personal works for pugs. What they have now doesn’t really work for anyone. What was asked for was master looter so guilds (not just world first guilds, that’s such a facepalm inducing comment) could better distribute loot. What we got was…not that.
200 % agree. Group loot is a blazing dumpster fire of toxicity.
300% agree, I stop raiding because my guild is enforcing the master loot with the addon and pass loots to the core members.
I don’t raid, but can healers need on DPS trinkets or
Do they have to be in DPS spec to be eligible? Also, can you potentially roll need on every eligible drop and win everything if your lucky? I don’t remember but could you win multiple loots from a single boss with personal loot? I was under the impression it was the same as personal loot but now you see the rolls and have the option to pass? Lastly, can you roll need for something you don’t need and trade it to a buddy?
They can need, but it’s counted as an offspec roll, so they can only get the loot if all the people in DPS spec pass on it.
Can you switch your loot spec to resto while playing balance and be able to roll priority need or do you have to be the actual spec when the boss dies?
Rumors that Dragonflight alpha/beta did have Personal Loot in some versions. The problem is that Dragonflight bosses drop so few pieces of gear, so a good majority of participating players will never see pieces dropping throughout the raid.
Therefore, they implemented Group Loot just so that players can see some toast windows and roll, giving us an illusion of many gear pieces dropping.
Precisely.
You can loot spec to whatever you want. The loot spec that you have set when the boss dies is what counts. You can swap loot specs from boss to boss, or swap loot specs during the boss fight, you just need the loot spec set when the encounter ends.
It mirrors personal loot in that you can set your loot spec to whatever you want to target regardless of the spec you are playing. So if you were boomkin with a loot spec set to resto, then in both personal loot and group loot you would have priority on healing gear. With the new group loot system, however, you have the bonus chance to get boomkin gear if no dps want a dps item that drops, which you didn’t have in the personal loot system. This is all assuming you roll need for any item you are interested in (where main spec resto or offspec boomkin,guardian, feral) - again, main spec defined by your set loot spec, not what you are playing.
Agreed. WoW forgets the toxicity of their player base. This is not vanilla, people do not want to help others…
0/18 for me. 2 weeks. I’m definitely falling behind. Ridiculous. Time spent raiding feels like a waste and it is one of my favorite things to do in this game. Hate it.
Agreed, just give us the option. Let non-LFR raids decide if they want Personal or Group Loot (LFR should just be Personal Loot), and give guild groups the choice for Master Loot while we’re at it. There’s no reason to deny us the options of loot system.
3 weeks of full clear and 2 lfr raids, 30 bosses, I have received one piece of gear. I’ve gotten more loot from my vault than actually raiding. Its really cool being one of the special classes that gets the tier token that 4 classes use. Especially when evokers are very popular because they are new, and monks and warriors are really popular. Most raids there is somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 of the raid rolling on the tier tokens that rogues use.
There’s some extra nuance to consider, and it’s tied to the fact that your loot spec no longer ties to what actually drops.
Take an example of a boss that has 2 plate items, and a shield.
As a Ret Paladin in Personal loot, if you’re in Ret spec, your pool is simply the 2 plate items. If you were to change to Prot spec, you’re adding the shield to the pool, but in doing so are ensuring that if the shield drops, it’s potentially at the cost of a different item. Unless there was an actual, genuine reason you wanted the shield, there’d be no reason to use Prot loot spec. You’d also only be able to loot one item, so if it’s the shield, you’re not getting one of the plate items (unless it’s traded by another person who won a plate item).
As a Ret Paladin in Group loot, all the drops are independent. If you’re in Ret spec, you can roll on the plate items if they drop, and can’t Need on the shield if it drops. If you’re in Prot spec, you can roll on the plate items if they drop, and you can roll on the shield if it drops. If both plate items and shields drop, you can simply Need on all the items, and win all the items. Whatever drops will drop regardless of your loot spec.
The end result is there’s no downside or limit to simply using Prot spec on that boss and slurping up every item you get a Need roll on, which is exactly how people can and will behave when grouped with strangers or people they don’t care about.
I ninjat everything in PUGs due to this bad design. Got nothing for two weeks straight and then I simply rolled on everything in a PUG. Even disenchanted the item.
I never felt so frustrated raiding. Ion is the worst lead we ever had. He’s incapable of recognizing what the playerbase wants.
Mostly because nothing except tier is an upgrade for you so you’ve passed on everything else. What do you expect if you’re doing normal mode at 392 ilvl?
You can need on the shield if you’re in ret spec, you’ll just lose if anyone who is main spec proc rolls on the same shield. If nobody else in the raid rolls on it, you can win the shield.