Bring back Masterlooter

This statement is clearly the best argument you could come up with. Lets go with some story time to clear up some of your definitive argument of “naw, uh”.

When Legion was new and Emerald Nightmare opened, the guild I was in, Alliance mind you, went in to the raid weak 1 with 15 players. The loot rules were set to Master Looter, and we completed everything to Ursok the first day.

When running the numbers during the raid, our lowest DPS was a Feral Druid. Each boss that dropped Leather loot, the other 14 players unanimously decided that this Druid needed help so we funneled loot to them. As a monk healer, I could have used an upgrade, but the Druid was barely doing enough DPS to validate their existence in the raid. Week 1, this Druid received 3 upgrades to push them up with everyone else in the raid.

Entering EN for week 2, this Druid had received a 4th upgrade in Mythic Plus leading in to week 2. When we pulled Nethendra, and after 2 wipes, I ran the numbers from the week prior. I then had to go into a private discord with the raid leader and talk to them about how the Druid, who was fed gear, and had 4 upgrades was doing 15% less DPS this week over the last week. Needless to say, this Druid was removed from the raid, and we found a replacement.

From week 3 on, we were raiding Emerald Nightmare Heroic, and we all decided to try Personal Loot instead of Master Looter. None of us required it, and Master Looter was working fine. We just all wanted to see the loot difference. Over the next few months, we actually received more transferable loot and upgrades then we had experienced with Master Looter, so we stuck with it. Even into doing Mythic Emerald Nightmare.

This lesson I learned isn’t about Master Looter or Personal Loot specifically. Its about how if you raid with like minded people, the loot distribution doesn’t matter. Our raid dumped 3 upgrades on a player who turned out to be a dud in every way possible. We didn’t disband the raid, or complain about the lost loot. We didn’t submit a ticket to Blizzard about how harmful inviting NPC’s to raids are and how they owe us something because of our discomfort. We simply put on our big boy pants and dropped bosses.

I agree with the previous posters in this thread that Personal Loot was made the default loot distribution method to slow down the top percentage of guilds who would min max so hard the content for them would be irrelevant when it went live. If this is the case, and I strongly believe it is the case, as Blizzard pretty much said so when they removed Master Looter to begin with, this leaves all the people who now say its because “muh fairness” in a state of delusion.

Any statement Blizzard has made in regards to Personal Loot being a more fair option is pandering to the players who lack the social skills to find a group that fits them. This isn’t a problem that popped up in Legion, or BfA, or Shadowlands. Its been around since Classic. I played a Rogue for the first 3 years of the game, and was constantly in dungeons. I didn’t have to wait for hours sitting in Ironforge waiting for a tank. I would log in and get whispers from folks to run Shcolo, Strat, and UBER’s. I was good, and the players who I met wanted me in their group. This continues to this day. Pandering to the other groups of players has set the bar so low, that it has affected all aspects of World of Warcraft now, not just loot distribution.

The arguments here over the last few days just reinforce this. The players who think Personal Loot is the only one true system, and all others are inferior, had no business buying and playing the game to begin with. Its why they didn’t play in Classic, BC, or Wrath.

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Where is proof? Your proof, as a Hunter with a 48% win rate in 2s at 1045 rating, is that I wasn’t more than challenger for the two seasons I did arena prior to SL?

The two seasons I did just for the Bonesteed mounts.

That’s your proof?

My mage has a 72% winrate

You know, this could all have been avoided if you could have accepted the fact that I went into some raid blind, didn’t want to be their and was just there for tier.

Instead, you make it out that I am trying my best and just can’t make it happen in a normal raid, no matter how much I will outpace you in 2/3s of this games content.

You acted in bad faith to start with.

People who buy carries stop at the rating. Example being you hit 2209 and then never qued again.

It’s a tell tale sign it was purchased.

That so stupid. Look at the dates dude. First off, no one buys 2200 that I am aware of. It’s 1600 or 1800 or 2100 or 2400.

But yea, I did a super slow boost. Are you even hearing yourself?

You actually think I care? You were talking crap and can’t even do a basic rotation in normal. I linked it because it was funny.

Sure thing man. That’s why my lifetime rating is higher than yours.

You’re the one who is all about the measuring contest. I actually don’t care. I’m just egging you on at this point.

People buy duelist just for the title let alone the gear upgrades.

Never said you didn’t play yourself and then post to get pst where you were stuck

Just stop. You can’t make Hunter work in 2s in SL. You are subpar at PvP. Here is a measurement for you 48% win rate on Hunter in 2s at 1045 rating.

Your 2s are even funnier.

A bigger signal is the fact that you were apparently a 2300 player 11 years ago and now are a 1600-1800 player.

Did you buy back then? You seem knowledgeable about buying boosts.

The funny thing is I’m not even trying on hunter. You can’t trash my mages ratings so you resort to trashing a too. I don’t try on because that’s your only argument.

Not as funny as you buying duelist.

Yep. Playing pvp very casually. I just recently found solid people to play with.

Nope. It doesn’t take a degree to see that someone a a 2209 threes rating and a 2206 rbg rating to sniff out they bought boosts.

My characters actually have ratings passed the first ten rating of 2200.

I can only imagine you think this is the only way to get Duelist because you can’t do it in modern WoW playing busted specs or you didn’t even do it back then.

Did you get friends to carry you or…?

Hey, my RBG team is still mostly active. Willing to invite you to RBGs for the LOLs. Are you interested? We are kinda on hiatus for tier gearing, but we will begin again shortly.

We would all love for you to come. Put your money where your mouth is.

Not in over a decade.

I mean you asked the question.

Come do RBGs with us. I dare you. Will invite once we start going again.

Remember when this pristine community of raiders use to actively stalk and poach attuned healers and tanks for BC? maybe even classic? they had similar attunements I believe.
This is another example of why the path of least resistnace will always be the one taken and players will always take the advantage when presented with it and why we cant have nice things. If it can be abused, it will be abused. If you can buy a mage tower pilot it wil be bought, ect ect ect. Players are unable to control themselves and do the honest and honorable thing.

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I’ll pass. I prefer a chill environment and I prefer arena.

You seem like the guy that rages a lot.

We do at guys that are so bad they have 48% win rates in 2s at 1045 rating. Don’t chicken out, it’s a great time to prove the bought duelist bs you keep giving me. I’m actually giving you a chance.

Man up.