Maybe understand that you’re playing obsolete content that isn’t going to be as compatible as modern content is with the current system?
I think it’s super cool that your group is doing what they’re doing and I’m actually surprised you aren’t having to pug more people than you are.
I do think it would be very bad design however to cater to extremely niche groups like yours.
Personal loot sucks, especially with regular loot and tier loot being on different loot tables and locks.
I get a 278 non-tier chest, but I can’t trade a 265 tier token that I won’t need?
I have a 259 chest that is tier, but can’t trade a 272 token that is a bigger benefit to someone else in my raid than the stat upgrades for me?
It’s terrible.
Raiding is a team-oriented activity and loot belongs to the raid and not the raider. You agree to the raid team rules when you join.
Reading through these posts is mind-boggling, especially at incredibly selfish “THE LOOT IS MINE” posts. Like damn, you’re gonna be a gremlin for +13 agility, when your friend could finish their 4-piece and do 30% more boss damage?
Unbelievable.
Wow this threads still going huh?
I guess people are still feeling entitled enough to want to control how groups they are not a part of play the game then…
Masterloot ain’t coming back. As much as I miss it, we have shown time and again that the WoW community should not be trusted with such powers.
We can wish for legion again all we want, but we all know that’s not happening until it rolls around again for Classic.
Interesting take. Care to elaborate?
This describes half of the General Discussion posters.
How is it controlling someone if you can literally decline the offer?
It’s not entitlement a ton of guilds want ML because it is god awful without it some tiers. There are people who literally go months without a specific item because they’re luck is garbage.
In Legion I went through 8 legendaries before receiving a single DPS upgrade one. And shortly after I got my 12th one they made all the bad ones at least decent if not good.
I know people who went months without a proper tier set.
ML is for people who agree to use it together.
If you have a genuine issue with people agreeing to play together and to be fair together it says more about you than myself tbh
I want to raid in this game with anyone I please as long as we have the same time availability without adding unneeded factors. I don’t in any way respect your desire for master loot. I don’t. I don’t consider that a valid reason to not want to play with another player.
This game already requires large time commitments, class comp matching, player skill matching, competitive values, etc. You wanting to loot %%%%% is not a valid reason to cut off other players and divide the community.
I don’t. I don’t agree to pre sim, I don’t agree to do PvP for additional tier, I don’t agree to swap to a role you may prefer. I certainly don’t agree to give up my loot to the raid leaders girlfriend.
I will raid with whomever I please however I please and I will absolutely oppose anything that gets in my way.
There is plenty of criticism to be found of ML, and there have been examples posted in the forums for the entirety of its existence. Then there are people who never experienced the downside of it and refuse to believe it existed just because they didn’t see it used to manipulate. It’s incredibly short-sighted and immature to think that the counter-point is simply made-up just because you didn’t personally experience it.
I have been extremely abused by bad guilds that abused ML and I still want ML because I blame the people and not the system.
Sounds like the only solution is to remove hockey from the world.
ML is not the fix this game needs. It needs bad luck tokens to accompany the gear drops, so that you can exchange them for the piece you haven’t been able to acquire in a reasonable number of kills. That would show too much respect for player investment though, we’ll never see those in this game.
No one said it was a fix the game needs, it’s a fix to people who want to use it to progress together to prevent things they can’t control.
How is that even an argument?
Also bad luck tokens or any form of currency to achieve the best gear has always been a bad idea. Sure it sucks not getting what you want if ever, but when literally everyone has the same gear the game is bad. We saw it in Cata, Legion, and now again in SL.
Also you are implying that time invest means you should have the best of everything, which is just fundamentally not how this game works. While their should be a better loot system, any system that generates the best with only time investment is a bad design.
I said nothing about getting the best with only time investment. Try asking folks who get cutting edge early in a tier yet never see the Dagger of Night.
Being able to get top gear from 8 to 10 kills of that boss would still be a differentiating factor because that is not something that many can achieve on the highest tier. Even within those, there will be performance differentiators because some players are just better than others. The gear in WoW does not make you a better player, but it does open up the possibility for you to compete.
The gear in WoW does not make you a better player, but it does open up the possibility for you to compete.
So you agree ML is useful and should be allowed to be used by those that agree to using it.
K thanks.
The people, and what they’re allowed to do, are the system.
If you have a dog on a leash, and you let it off the leash, you are liable. You know what the dog can do, and letting it off the leash is making the decision to allow it to bite someone. It might not bite someone but it certainly can and you enabled the behavior knowingly.
The dark behaviors enabled by master looter are directly the fault of master looter and the fault of that system. Choosing to let that behavior happen freely is by definition enabling that behavior.
Noooooope. But I see clearly I don’t need to waste time discussing this with you as you are unable to comprehend coherent statements. You just infer what you want. Thanks for that.
trials who didn’t get loot were bad trials
it makes no sense to not gear up a promising trial as quickly as possible
“I don’t want to give gear to trials because what if they leave REEE”.