Group loot is exploitable too.
Not really to the same point.
The guys strongly state in OP Ploot and LM. Posters like you are the worse, not reading anything.
I canât stand it so I donât raid until itâs fixed. I am no longer a raider.
Itâs a weird hill to die on.
Irony is everyone pointing out how masterloot was abused while ignoring how need/greed is abused in similar though different ways. Get a guild of 19 people with half crafted gear rolling on every item to trade to their guildies. Have people roll on gear to bid it off. Have the same person win 8 pieces of loot in a raid for transmog meanwhile you get nothing.
The drooling forum nerds will say the same thing happens in personal loot and ignore all the obvious differences. IDK what the solution is but it isnât need/greed. Dont let the forums gaslight you 
Sounds good. Maybe give raid creators classic loot or modern loot like the UI
Why would I even humor someone complaining about an outdated system that gives all the power to a single person?
This is like asking for dictatorship and explaining why its a good thing.
If youâre going to try and say something dumb just out and say it donât go and write a 2 minute read on how dumb you are.
Now go sniff more glue or something.
Yes organizing 29 other people with full sets of crafted gear to steal lfr loot is totally the same as a single person abusing the system to steal high end content and grant it to people he likes the most first. Yep.
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I didnât say LFR loot :-). I also didnât claim masterloot was good. Just that forum nerds will live and die on the hill of need/greed and make up every excuse under the sun why they should be able to transmog roll need in heroic raids on week 1/2.
Okay mastermind. Why would a group of 19 people go to someone elseâs group of 11 people to steal loot why not just form their own group.
I was talking about joining pugs not advertised as guild runs then being spam roll stacked against on every potential piece of loot. Where as had you joined a non guild pug you would have more equal chances. Personal loot doesnât neccesarily fix every issue but it feels a whole lot better than the plethora of terrible things that come with rolls. All the way down to the fact that it just feels bad. People need rolling on transmog. People rolling on loot to sell it. One dude winning 8 pieces of loot in a raid meanwhile you walk out with nothing. So on and so on. It just feels bad, in so many cases.
All of his complaints could be easily fixed by communicating. Be it new or old players. If they are such a tight knit group of people they can understand and be told to pull their chest sheet from wowhead so they donât waste loot on themselves and others.
Now they went and literally made a loot council and a gdkp system because they thought thatâs better. Which is why blizz removed ml from the game to start with.
Now if blizzard has any brains they would just put a vote system when someone wants to be a master looter.
Full agreement of the team would solve all the problems. If someone donât want to agree with it then they can be convinced or leave. Once thatâs over. A detailed system everyone can read and mouse over to see reasons of master loot to give this person x item. Be it bis or w.e else.
That said this requires coding and developing which is what blizzard donât want to do so we get need greed roll. Which besides literally deleting all your gear and doing something as dumb as crafting a full set of low lvl armor and going In to steal roll is. Does not work. Because the game system will check all of your gear stashes to see if your actual Ilvl is low enough to roll.
Also why the hell would I let some random guy decked out in crafted gear anywhere near a heroic or even normal heh.
No itâs not, it was removed because Ionâs guild was using personal loot in Legion, but nobody else was, and Ion thinks everyone should play like him, so he removed the other options.
Same way he kept trying to get people to raid 25-man instead of 10-man, for years. Gave them Thunderforged loot, more and better loot, easier fights than 10-man⌠none of it worked, so he just took the option away from people.
Now I see why the other guy is on about tinfoil hats
I wonder what portion of raiders are guild raiders vs puggers
25 man raids no longer existâŚ
Jokes on you I suppose
A hard no.
I really liked personal loot and I truly do not understand fully removing the option. Removing master loot couldâve been motivated by a number of things, though.
At this point we basically have master loot back, we just have to deal with the potential risk of people taking items for themselves because it currently relies on a trust system where the individual with the least vested interest holds the power to break said trust.