Bring back Marked for Death

Subtlety rogues are suffering since it was removed.

There is only one sub rogue above above 2500 rating whereas there are 30+ assassin rogues above 2500.

Marked for Death gave us enough insta combo points so we could choose to open with kidney shot. Right now our only options for an opener are shadowstrike and cheap shot. Unfortunately, cheap shot costs almost double the energy as kidney shot.

Sure, we can open with cheap shot and use kidney shot a bit later in our rotation right now, but that eats up a precious damage rotation which is probably one of the reasons we are suffering right now.

And maybe it’s just me, but I feel a bit energy starved as sub unless I choose the vigor talent. And that forces me to lose a lot of damage potential.

But yea, please nerf MM hunters.

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good rogues need to stop being S tier every damn season.

Well, it’s quite absurd how I have 71% mastery with full honor pvp set and 2 conquest pieces but my finishers don’t even hit as hard as a full MM rapid fire rotation.

My secret techniques with 6 combo points rarely get above 250k damage. And that’s with cold blood and symbols of death used in the rotation. And that’s supposed to be my big 2 min swifty macro button.

I’m not asking for S tier. Heck, I didn’t even cry for more damage. But more control over the fight is needed and that can be accomplished with marked for death.

Oh, and sub is a bit more vulnerable to hunter traps that are on much shorter cooldowns than all sub defense cooldowns.

I almost feel forced to play assassin right now.

you’re really upset you’re not the best class in the game… yikes lol

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I don’t need to be best. Just viable.

And sorry to break it to you, but with 71% mastery, the big 2 minute damage cooldown should be doing comparable damage to other dps classes. No way should that hunter rapid fire be doing more damage.

And if more damage is not coming, there needs to be a way for sub to stay in the fight longer when in group combat outside arena.

Heck, even in arena they are a dead spec compared to other dps.

… you have to be trolling…

Why trolling?

I didn’t even mention how stupid it is to give shadowy duel 5 seconds of being able to use stealth abilities when you are probably already using shadow dance with shadowy duel so you already have stealth abilities available for use. The bonus from shadowy duel should be 10 to 15% more damage for your finishes for 5 seconds. This way you can at least get two finishes off with bonus damage.

Like I said, poor game design.

ok bud lol

pass the blunt

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lol yea just changed that mistake in my original post.

Obviously meant 30+ assassin rogues above 2500 and many above 2700 and 2800.

Point being, sub is in bad shape. I’ll be switching back to assassin tomorrow when I get home from work. No point wasting my time with damage that low. I don’t care how “intricate” a spec is to learn. If the damage is that low with over 70% spent in your main damage stat, something is off. Assassin pumps out a ton more damage with much fewer buttons.

Might as well try the right side of the sub talent tree with the shadow damage utilities because the typical cookie cutter spec is just not cutting it. Been doing pvp for 3 hours today and only saw ONE other sub rogue but saw lots of assassins.

What’s wrong with Sub, MM Hunters

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arguably seagals best movie

Anyone denying sub being bad rn is just coping. They’re hoping they can gaslight blizz into leaving them C tier for as long as possible. People like turning their brain off and PVEing. When you face sub comps, you have to be on point. People always prefer the path of least resistance.

You think sub is not viable? What is your definition of viable?

Pretty good bait ngl. 8.5/10