Because I find the content in this expansion incredibly boring and I only log in now to emissaries? I mean I would do raids and dungeons if I felt like it, but I don’t.
Legion was when I actually played a lot.
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Why are you complaining about my being unreasonable when you were perfectly fine acting that way?
I am merely mirroring the exact same behavior you were just now. Dont like shade going your way? Dont throw it, particularly when you are ill equipped.
I have my stance because I believe more content is good for getting people to do older content.
I’d rather they create new versions and not rehash old ones. Stop giving blizz more reasons to rehash and be lazy with their content. Encourage new jeez
Because I was joking.
Well dude I’m sorry you’re not going to get your Paladin stuff. It stinks but it’s just the way it’s gonna be.
Not at the expense of new content. Because again you people don’t understand that’s going to require Blizz to re-do like half of not all of the challenges.
It’s just not worth it.
It isn’t really a good joke considering who you were making it with dude. =\
Timing is everything.
Uhhh, I don’t care for the Paladin stuff. Looks fugly to me. Only the DK stuff is interesting, and I wasn’t around for it and thems is the beats. Which has been my stance for awhile now.
I am someone who has experience in programming and computer modeling. I have very intimate understanding in what goes on in programming and altering things to try and suit the current environment. Blizzard doesn’t have to do so. Just as they don’t alter the content to suit people farming lich king for shadowmourne or anything else.
The only truly valid argument is “it was time related, and people were told it was time limited.”.
Can Blizzard go back on their word? Yeah. Its their game. They don’t lose anything from it.
Should they? Different question entirely.
On time limited stuff? Ehh… maybe? They don’t lose anything.
On stuff like Wrathion’s legendary cloak in MoP? They need to put it back.
The Ordon Sanctuary is completely locked off to anyone who did not complete the questline, and the blues stated they were going to remove this requirement but failed to do so.
As a result, there is a significant portion of the timeless isles that are locked to anyone who didn’t complete the wrathion questline. It also means no one has any idea as to how we came to associate with Wrathion story wise as well. That’s a large chunk of lore that is gone.
Luckily for me, I had a huge part of my legendary cloak quest done and just need to complete it on my dr00d.
This is the same for WoD. Stuff like that makes up a large part of lore, and people miss out on such things.
Stuff like Mage tower which is just for skins or the challenge stuff? On that stuff, it was time limited and them is the beats.
For the record, almost nothing you say makes any sense.
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Who is “with dude?”
Yeah so basically you just said a bunch of stuff that meant nothing.
My man, the classes aren’t the same. Some have more utility that allows them to trivialize the challenges. The Feral Druid was a prime example of that. You can scale the health all you want, but it’s not going to change how broken these challenges will be.
It was only in response to the following.
You made assumptions, I took the time to show how those assumptions were wrong. If it means nothing, then it means your assumption was nothing. You’re going to a lot of lengths to display how tactless you can be and it isn’t conducive to this discussion.
None of the classes have been the same since Vanilla. That isn’t a valid argument. By that logic, no one should get any of the cosmetics/transmogs from previous expansions because those expansions were designed with different versions of the classes in mind.
All that is valid is “it was time limited”.
If we go by the logic of classes being different then no one should get anything that is not current. It is a bad argument to use.
No you just used a bunch of filler words. Be honest with me now.
Yeah sure it’s not valid if you take it out of context and apply it to something entirely different.
Oh, because those transmogs were advertised as limited time challenges is that right? Raids and single-person challenges are totally the same thing right?
Yeah it’s a bad argument when you literally don’t understand the difference between different forms of content.
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Trust me. I’d love the MT bear and cat skins. But understandably I’ll never get it because I took a break all of legion. Definitely sucks, but it is what it is.
If all that was required was to play the game during a specific time everyone who played then would have all of the skins. What is the point of trying to have an argument if you are going to be disingenuous?
I only ever earned 2 before the time ran out because I was late to the party and I am okay with them never returning even though I’d like more. That was how they were introduced and also what motivated some people to work for them.
Are you…intimidated by big words or something?
Your argument: “They can’t put it back because classes have changed.”.
The thing is, that applies EVERYWHERE. Every expansion has classes with X design in mind. Once that expansion is gone, and the class now has Y design, its different. So should they remove everything just because the classes change? No.
I mean, I literally just stated that it being time limited is really the only valid that can be used, because its time limited. I do not understand what point you’re trying to make here, other than your impeccable ability to roleplay a demon hunter.
Its a bad argument because it is a bad argument regardless of the context. If you’re addressing an individual who disagrees with you and you say “BUT CLASSES ARE DIFFERENT MAN!”, its a stupid argument that does not work.
Time walking works, and thats with the classes being drastically different from what they used to be.
Class changes mean nothing, particularly with gear and level scaling. 
because i would be. i put more time and effort into getting something BECAUSE it was time exclusive. if it’s ever brought back, all that is wasted as i could’ve just waited and gotten it later when i felt like it.
except the extra time and effort i put in.
and you’re telling me “sucks to be you. shouldn’t have bothered playing the game when it was relevant content”.
no, if you miss out on something time exclusive, you need to suck it up. if something advertised as time exclusive and will never be available again does come back, that spits in the face of everyone who worked hard to complete it when it was current content.
let me know when depression makes sense and i can control it. if i could control my depression to not feel worse based on what you said, I WOULD’VE DONE IT ALREADY! i can only try and stop things from affecting me. doesn’t mean it will work and it doesn’t mean it won’t. that’s why i said tell me when life is fair. you cure my mental illness that i have next to no control over and i will gladly overlook my effort and time being used to make me feel better being wasted.
you clearly don’t understand how mental illnesses work. if i could control it, it wouldn’t be an illness.
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How so? The end result is the same, a cool looking artifact skin. Punishment would involve something being taken away from you, and in this aspect it is not. Time enjoyed is not time wasted.
Which would not be lost because you would have put in the effort to obtain it anyway.
This is your perception, and not the actual thing being stated. What is being stated is “you got it earlier than everyone else.”.
Are you suggesting that people who killed Lich King wasted their time because they could have done it later? That doesn’t quite function well as an argument.
It goes both ways dude, that is my point. If they put it back in, then they put it back in. it is their game, not yours, so deal with it. If they choose not to put it back? Then people need to deal with it. Emotional arguments dont work because emotions are valid for both parties.
Depression doesn’t make sense, and you cannot control it, but you can control how you react in response to it. You control entirely how you approach the situations. The issue with depression is it is a deceptive disease. It leads one to believe they have no control when in truth, they have much more than they realize.
As such, you cannot place blame on anyone in regards to how they affected your mental health. They do not control you, and they do not control your reactions, and you cannot use it as an excuse to control what people can and cannot want, or can and cannot do.
My advanced education and years upon years of experience in treating others disagree with you.
I am simply not sympathetic to someone who would use their mental illness as justification for the way they do things.
No It’s just I have this skill. It’s called reading. You unnecessarily stretched what you said and essentially just said. “No they don’t have to.” Also what does modeling have to do with the challenges?
When in reality they would have to rework these challenges.
And we’re not talking about the other stuff! You’re not picking up what I’m putting down.
Class challenges are challenges that are built around the state classes were in at the time, and the entire goal was to give players a challenge to overcome. You are asking for them to bring it back because it doesn’t matter because “Raids were challenges too, and they should be removed if the Mage Tower was removed.”
Sorry, last I checked the goal of raids wasn’t transmog but rather the powerful gear. That gear is now useless. Why should it be relevant?
Great point. Totally explains a lot.
For the last time I’ll try and make it clear to you.
These Artifact Challenges were created back in Legion giving players an incentive to overcome challenges and get rewarded with a transmog appearance. They felt rewarding and made you feel accomplished for completing the challenge in time.
Raids are different as they’re not limited, but the goal is gear with transmog appearances as an added bonus. The Mage Tower again, is focused entirely on the reward of the artifact appearance and nothing else.
They will not bring these challenges back as since classes have been reworked, it will force Blizz to rework the challenges entirely so they are challenging once again. It doesn’t matter if raids are no longer challenges as by that logic, these challenges shouldn’t even have their namesake as you shouldn’t be given a free appearance.
If you missed out you missed out. That’s unfortunate for you, but it’s the way things are. Players had over a year to come and earn these appearances.
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You’re not displaying the skill accordingly dude.
They don’t have to at all. It is literally just a matter of gear/level scaling. just like they do with time walking. You’re being obtuse on the matter and making it appear as if it is complicated. It really isnt.
I am, I just know most of it is BS so I ignore it.
Perhaps I am old school but, the point of raids wasn’t the power of the gear it was always for the looks. Raid gear was always unique in its appearnce, and it was a status symbol to possess it. People still do raids for transmog purposes as well.
Many raids were also designed with variant of class X in mind.
Such as when Frost DK’s could still tank.
It doesn’t mean we should remove it because of these class changes down the line.
They stay simply because they aren’t time limited.
Any other argument is just bull poo really
Glad we reached an understanding.
You said you had this skill you use called reading, but you clearly don’t use it since I literally brought this up earlier..
You’re so busy trying to be right about something you’re failing to notice when people agree with you on the principle.
Being back the tower? Sure, why not? Bring back the rewards? Definitely no.
The reasons have been said countless times. Peek into any thread about this to find them.
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I think it would be pretty neat just to let people do the challenges at level. The crying on the forums would be hilarious. It would be like the TWing TBC dungeons. Hell, that could be a neat way to give them recommendation tokens for the rep grind in legion.
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If the Mage Tower hadn’t been advertised from day one as time limited I wouldnt care if they brought it back.
But it was and so it should remain that way.
I have to say after reading many of these types of requests it never ceases to amaze me how many people who want them back will insult or belittle those of us that want blizzard to stick to their word.
I dont have the Mop armors, I dont have Wod weapons although I played during that time so I could have got them but chose not to. Do I miss being able to get them? sure do but I will never ask for them back, time limited means time limited.
Because of Mop armors and the Wod weapons I made sure to get all 36 Mage Tower appearances, it was a long grind but worth it. Some of them I did before Tomb and felt very challenging some I did right at the end which was mostly the healer ones.
And no I dont have a ego boost because I have them, I just want Blizzard to stick to their word because I wouldnt have grinded until my eyes bleed to do them all if I knew they would have been available later.
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Eh, from what I see it tends to go both ways. People are passionate on the subject so tempers get heated.
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