BS Should be back for fury for many reasons but namely for pvp, Since for a warrior Losing out on a ability that makes you Immune to CC for seconds is massive and unless its added back Fury is going to be more heavily hindered vs beforehand, I fully understand that BS is useless for pve fury due to it having anti synergy with the kit and playstyle but for pvp very few abilities for warrior come close to its defensive power level. Only other option would be to place within the Pvp talents which would need the ability’s to become stronger and become more of a damaging tool vs its defensive options alongside needing to drop key talents that are in demand for certain comps you fight against
Fury is looking pretty sharp for PvP. Lots of self heals, gaining defensive stance, -30% sap/fear/incap duration, easy access to additional mobility options, etc.
If anything, this nerf was warranted.
From a PvE perspective this is a much better addition to the kit. Blade Storm was awkward.
That’s just my 2 cents. Blade storm coming back for more anti-CC is just asking for nerfs in other parts of the kit.
Here’s an idea: Buff Bladestorm for Fury PvE. Like have a talent that makes it Enrage you.
I’d like to see Thunderclap (that ALSO has anti-synergy with Fury’s playstyle because the damage is so poor) moved out of the general tree and Bladestorm take its place.
Bladestorm should come back because:
Bladestorm being gone from Fury is straight up pruning, which designers said they didn’t want to do.
There’s so much new CC added in Dragonflight, anti-CC mechanics are going to be more necessary than ever.
Bladestorm is one of those key spells that separates good from bad players. Knowing how to predict and avoid CC with Bladestorm is the hallmark of a good Warrior.
It’s just a very fun ability.
No, it’s looking terrible. If you look only at what it GAINS, of course it seems good. When you look at what everyone else gains too, you see how far out-paced Fury will become.
Ex. Every mage spec can get 2 frost novas, ice nova, blast wave, dragon’s breath incap, ring of frost, shimmer, alter time blink reset, and blink rewind talent via their General Talents. Hunters can get Steel Trap, Intimidate/Explosive Trap, Binding Shot/Scatter, and Freezing Trap via General Talents or baseline (plus Scatter is no longer a PvP Talent, so they have more room to take other talents like Steady Shot Stun.)
Fury looks like it’s going to simply sit CC all match and ultimately be abandoned in favor of Arms, which still has Bladestorm.
And what additional mobility? Fastfootwork? A 5% passive movement bonus is barely noticeable. Fury is losing mobility because Recklessness Charge is going away.
We’re gaining -30% incap/sap and fear duration. That’s a pretty big deal, on top of D-Stance, which is amazing if focused. You literally have a stance to swap between if you’re the CC target versus focus target.
You can now take all 3, Impending Victory, Storm bolt and Double time, and the movement speed buff is 10% with another 10% while enraged, which is easier to maintain with the new Onslaught talent. We still have a great MS effect through pvp talents, and worst case scenario with roots, we take Bloodrage. Probably won’t be an issue against most comps, though. We don’t have to chose between bounding stride and warpaint anymore, so you’re either gaining more mobility or passive bulk.
Because all of the bulk is passive, we don’t have to sacrifice rage (and enrage uptime) just to give ourselves bulk, and it’s harder to hard-swap on us because ignore pain requires set up while D-Stance is easier to maintain.
There’s a reason they’ve been having to dial back on Fury because it was freaking NUTS early alpha, and it’s still pretty great. It doesn’t have to have it all.
We already have Berserker Rage. Fear is not our threat.
Losing our ability to avoid CC with Bladestorm is going to be the deathknell for Fury PvP unless it just does ridiculous damage. There is no reason to bring Fury when Arms has better uptime because it can keep itself out of CC. A 10% speed bonus quickly becomes 5% with a snare. Fast Footwork is a crap talent and hardly game changing.
Arms gets Defensive Stance, Double Time, Impending Victory, and Stormbolt too. Fury is thoroughly devolving into a PVE spec because Arms brings much more to the table for PvP.
Again you are just talking about what Fury gains, not what everyone else gains.
I.e. Every Mage spec can now get double frost nova, ice nova, dragon’s breath incap, blast wave (with enhanced knockback), ring of frost, mass polymorph, shimmer, Alter Time (with Blink reset talent), a new 45 second cd that rewinds Blink, on top of a bunch of defensive modifiers. Frost just got a punishing talent via essentially DK Remorseless Winter stun but with 5 times the radius. Mage in Dragonflight pulls far ahead of Fury in appeal.
Why are you focusing on Fear? -30% on all incaps is huge. Best Arms can get is 15% because they no longer have access to Zerker stance. They don’t have access to Blood Rage, and are generally a bit less sturdy and slower.
They might provide a bit more utlity (not nearly as much as they used to now that Fury has a good MS effect, but outside of blade storm, they actually have the ability to sit in CCs longer. Based on the specs themselves, this makes sense. Fury should be quicker to get into the fight, high sustain damage, etc, while arms provides burst, a bit more utility while having more windows of being susceptible. That’s pretty much where we are, short of tuning, which is always an issue.
Kit-wise, there’s really nothing wrong with how things are shaping up. Fury is a bit more bulky, has more passive speed and cc reduction, while arms is more bursty, slightly flimsier and a LITTLE more utility.
I’m more concerned about their ability to burst out-doing our high sustain damage than I am concerned that they have more anti-CC. Arms has do be good for SOMETHING. Sounds like you’re trying to do the same thing to arms that you’re accusing it of doing to Fury, which is delegating it to PVE only.
I am less worried about the cc break since I don’t PvP. My reason for liking bladestorm is that it felt satisfying to press with the animation showing my warrior mowing down mobs in dungeons over the course of a few seconds. An instant ability without that extended animation doesn’t provide that same satisfying effect even if the damage is tuned to be equal to bladestorm. Fury will feel pruned to me without that satisfying spin move of death over the course of a few seconds.
100% considering refunding DF if they do not bring bladestorm back, and if they dont i just dont think ill be playing. might sound silly to non warrior players but not having bladestorm feels really really bad i hate it and honestly id rather just not play if i dont have it. tired of losing abilities when xpacs come out i miss when we used to GAIN stuff. 0 hype for dragonflight as a warrior
Aye, but at the same time… what harm would it be to allow it to put it on a choice node opposite Ravager and to make Storm of Steel (A) work for both and (B) not crap?
The power of storm of steel is meant to be the increased rage generation, but since only 1 charge can be cooling down at any given time, it just sucks. And that’s generally the problem with anything dual charge that you want to keep on cool down. Also bladestorm would be gigabad with storm of steel lol. You already cancel it with certain conditions without any damage penalty.
Randomly yolo bladestorming and getting lucky that your opponent tossed cc into it like a monkey is bad design
lmao i dont get how people prefer fury over arms anyway, arms is almost BUILT with pvp in mind, fury is some weirdo spec that people think is hipster but in reality is toxic for the game when its good.
Agreed. Since I started playing this game ( mid Cataclysm era) Bladestorm has always been on hand since I main Fury most of the time and play Protection the rest. Arms (roll’s eyes at those who ever chose that spec). should not have been the only spec in Dragonflight to have this. It not being on the base Left talent tree side was a huge error one I hope they fix before DF ends. Who remembers when Protection could take that talent ( if i recall it was mop or WoD). But yes I hope blizz move it from the lackadazy Arms players Right tree and let Us proper Warriors who actually have the Blades to Storm once again. I feel silly using Odyn’s fury and Spear of bastion all damn day. GIVE IT BACK BLIZZARD.
I don’t think you understand how fury plays from what you typed. Arms is PvP choice obviously it does not make DFury or the stigma attached to it to weaken or make it toxis as you put it. Fury hands down will crush Arms in the right hands and vice versa, but how you describe fury as Hipster and Toxic for the game just tells me you are either very simple minded and could not figure out how to actually be good at,Because if you developed even a 10tth the amount of skill the top fury players Have you would understand why they play it.( I am not saying I am in that top percentile but I do play fury very well.) I would say similar stuff about Arms warrior players but I dont need too. I dislike the Arms spec because of how blizzard designed it and the amount of variances of the years and going and trying those out over and over made me just stick to waht I know and what has barely changed since I started.
Agreed it needs to be on the Left tree and be a choice between that Ravager or odyn’s fury/spear of bastion. Why blizzzard let the lowly arms players get the best warrior dps spell for old and current content is beyond me. Hoping they change it.
You have my respect. And yes its a core warrior ability not to be tossed aside to thew lets be honest weakest of the 3 specs and has been for quite some time probably why blizzard tossed em a bone for once but my point stands as true as yours and anyone else in agreement here.