Get rid of renew for discipline priests, remove cd for pws, 5 second weakened soul, rapture doesnt cause shield to apply weakened soul.
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It was like this in Shadowlands and PW:S was pathetically weak outside of Rapture. Or are you looking to make Shield Spam the play again, because that would be…a take…
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Shield spam, with atonement. Ive played disc priest since vanilla, was devastated by the addition of atonement healing, but its grown on me. Make shields the way to apply atonement again instead of renews, but not the sissy shields from sl
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You can have sissy shields, or you can have shield on a cooldown. I mean…at least not without gutting the rest of the non-atonement kit, which would make it really really hard to catch up if you’re behind (even worse than it was in SL). And this isn’t even getting into the problems of having so much throughput tied to absorbs in general…you know…the reason Shield Disc had to go away…
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There would technically be a cd with weakened soul, and an jdea would be take the healing renew would do, and add it to a sissy shield, because lets face it, renew is nothing but an atonement applier anyways. So we have it apply at 60% of what it does with cd, plus the healing renew would do added to the shield strength, and bam, not a sissy shield but not a huge one either. Just enough to keep people alive for atonements but not enough to let you skip mechanics
Weakened Soul is clunky. I’ll keep the cooldown thank you.
*there are other, better ways to enable Shield Spam. Procs, charges, Train of Thought-like talents.
Yeah I think it’s the same two models we gone back and forth from:
Case1: Stronger Shield with a CD + some weak but spammable applicator (plea, renew).
Case2: Weaker spammable shield that mainly works as atonement applicator. Initially didn’t even had weakened soul, it got added in a patch latter but was honestly totally irrelevant since you wouldn’t want to use pw:shield for the shielding itself.
I think both have positives and negatives, I personally think Case2 felt better when it came to ramping in Raids, but I think Case1 feels better in M+ or generally outside of big ramp scenarios.
I guess they could sort of combine them so we had a weaker spammable shield but every X seconds it gained a buff to make you next cast stronger but I don’t think there’s much room to go further than that… Having a strong spammable shield is just not going to happen (and for good reason imo).
Doesnt need to he large, just an average shield, much like pre legion, and apply atonement. Renew is almost useless other than an applicator, getting rid of it would help with button bloat, and bring more of the discipline idea into the gameplay.
I do think it’s funny they got ride of plea maybe, the legion atonement application spell to come full circle with renew that is basically useless other than applying atonement.
Pre-legion shields were way too strong to not be spamming. The entire playstyle revolved around it.
They’d already talked back in WoD why they were removing a ton of absorbs from the game. And when they brought them back via spirit shell in Nathria, they absolutely got burned by trying again. To be honest, I think where PW:S is now is the strongest we’re ever likely to see again, and it’s actually in a fairly good spot. Where the spec struggles is way more Blizzard trying to find the balance for Atonement in raid vs M+. They have made a ton of strides towards it, but still aren’t quite there.
If anything, I wish Rapture had an extra mechanic where while it was active, everyone you put a shield on was treated as if you already had your mastery.
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Oh man I’d love spirit shell back. Or rapture applying shield to 2 allies, or stacking it’s shield. I just love shields, and it’s sad evoker shields more throughout a fight
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Starting in Sepulcher, Blizzard has tuned the raids to be almost exclusively RoT aura based. This goes counter intuitive to the Spirit Shell/Absorb meta because most boss fights don’t have large bursts of damage like in Castle Nathria to mitigate. Spamming PWS would end up being mostly wasted.
When the damage mitigation absorb was king in CN: literally 3 out of 6 healers were 80% of the healers in CE logs.
Me too, a bit. I miss where disc priest was at during Cata (dragonsoul specifically). I felt that the skill ceiling was super low but there were tons of places to really eek out better hps if you were willing to learn the fights and take additional CDs.
I see the reason for the change. I think if it weren’t for the reason that we have two healer specs we’d still have disc in it’s original state but, considering how low the barrier for entry for holy has consistently been, we’ll continue to see disc be reactive and pretty difficult (by comparison).
Id be down for this. Also give us s1 tier set in talents.
4pc baked into weal and woe. 2p. Baked into borrowed power.
Rapture applying shields to 2 allies would be a good one
It is not spirit shell but we could shield the whole raid at one point, so cool
Its not spirit shell, but the whole idea of discipline priest is to shield allies from damage, so mass sgielding should be a thing
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The thing to note is that mitigation > throughput in terms of raid value. If 1-2 Disc Priests can PWS the entire raid before incoming damage than they end up becoming S-tier overnight because you’re basically giving people a buffer to their health bars. It helps with earlier tier prog when people are undergeared.
For raid balance it’s terrible. This is why Blizzard got rid of all the raid absorbs and made everything RoT auras.
PW R could be shielding and not healing though, it would be like evoker temporal anomaly, which is something we should excel.
Get rid of renew for discipline priests
HARD disagree. I like renew simply for its ability to apply Atonement without a cast time. Sure you can say the same about Shield and proc’d Flash Heal or Radiance. But why would you want to take away an easy, cheap, and useful way to apply Atonement (with no CD)? It doesn’t hurt to keep it. Renew is also great to combine with Shield for extra heals while you DPS or Penance to top off.
, remove cd for pws, 5 second weakened soul, rapture doesnt cause shield to apply weakened soul
No. I’ll take stronger shields with a minor CD (7 seconds) over weak, spammy shields.
Disc is still known for its shields and damage mitigation, saying “bring back disc shielding” is misleading. Just because you can’t spam shields doesn’t mean you aren’t a shield class… shields need to be used intentionally. It requires a little planning ahead and focusing on the damage coming in versus reactively shielding (though it’s also GREAT if someone is taking tons of dmg, or throwing on your tank as they pull). IMO your suggestions would make the spec weaker and take away what makes it strong. Our shields are in a good spot IMO.
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