I miss demonic. This going out of demon form on purpose to pop back in is dumb AF. Combine that with mitigating VR to a dps cooldown, when it should be a tool to deal mechanics.
I just miss the challenge of trying to spend enough fury and hit enough eyebeams to have a really high demon form uptime. and then having VR+FR and NW to deal with movement/target swaps/mechanics.
DH really feels like its been forgotten about because evokers exist now. Feels about like DKs did until they finally got reworked
good luck, this fight has been going on since SL with the discord mods hating anything remotely like the Legion/BFA Demonic playstyle that most of the Havoc community really enjoyed. They actively push against it and gave insanely bad feedback during the weak “rework” we had so now we are really suffering.
Together with their cronies in the discord who also parrot the same view as the mods continue to mock anyone who disagrees and want to bottleneck us into this destructive and unfun playstyle that has lead the spec to the miserable state it is in. They want us playing like discount rogues or warriors by having us do almost no damage until our small 40 second window is up in which we do all of our damage while stacking a stupid amount of small damage windows.
yes except you will be performing quite a bit lower than the discord mod approved build! and thats the issue. the other playstyle needs increased to be better or at least so close in output that your not a detriment. But we both know you guys will never let that happen.
nah, essence break and inertia accomplished that by forcing our normal abilities damage to be abysmally low to balance out our overall damage profile.
translation: no real argument because you know I am right and like the fellows in the discord will not debate but instead not respond (or ban anyone/flame anyone into not being able to respond) because you have no argument other than you do not want a playstyle you dislike to be a viable option.
BfA profile was sustained, which was bad. We were just overtuned and abused every single rppm effect we could think of thanks to Furious Gaze granting us 70%+ haste.
Havoc wasn’t strong in Legion, and the strongest we’ve ever been in that expansion, which was in Tomb of Sargeras, we also stacked cooldowns and had insane burst.
The Antorus iteration - the closest to BfA - was also horrible in both performance and gameplay.
Listen, we don’t want to stack 18 DPS windows either, but to say that Demonic and increasing its uptime is the solution to the spec is just being naive.
If you want Meta windows to be stronger and delete Meta as a CD, I buy it, but being in Meta 24/7 will only promote a bad profile.
you mean like you just did? Also if you look at my post I did stay on topic. Nice try.
this is factually wrong and many people actually enjoyed it and it preformed fine, the rppm was a crutch but simple numbers tuning could fix that.
this is just not true. we were actually very good early Emerald Nightmare before the nerfs. Tomb was probably our worst tier with rng dictating most of our output. Clearly you didn’t play.
again false, we were middle of the pack and good in most scenarios. Also most people remember this playstyle and became found of Havoc during this time period and BFA as they were so similar.
Your post/argument would be far stronger if you just left the discord stuff out of it. It not only adds nothing, but actually detracts from what you have to say.
Just an opinion I thought I’d share. I hold no grudge against you, nor do I care what the past discord drama was.
I disagree, this was one of the worst iterations of DH. We need something, but bringing back a toxic play style is not the right move. The reason people hated it so much, was that ANY downtime means you lost way more dps than other classes, so fights where you have to be out of melee range, good luck keeping your dps up. It promoted a toxic gameplay loop of “if you’re not in range, you’re going to suck”. There’s a reason a lot of us didn’t like it, and that’s because it sucked.
