We are the lowest on damage output.
We got the worst cooldowns.
We got the worst self sustain.
Expel Harm is insanely unreliable.
Weaving in Vivify’s feels horrible.
Singular Ignore Pain is identical to Celestial Brew, but CB got 45s cooldown, meanwhile Ignore Pain got none.
Shockwave has nearly half of Leg Sweep CD.
Pretty please?
Meta is getting to people.
I’ve been trying to get into Ara Kara for past 20m. I keep getting declined. https://imgur.com/a/9xxsCLO
Brewmasters are a bit unfortunately in that this season (so far) in that it REALLY favours high survivability Tanks, but hey, it could be worse, you could be a Prot Paladin. Still more 2500+ Brewmasters than Prot paladins.
as someone who does’nt do m+ (you… ARE talking m+, right?) and does’nt usually play brewmaster… i’ve been having a ball playing brewmaster this expansion. granted, i don’t do actual group content - follower dungeons for me, please - but i’ve been having fun with the class.
my only issue with it, is i don’t seem to do enough damage. but then again, you did mention that in your post OP, so… obviously i’m not alone in that feeling (though i let it slide, since, y’know, it’s a tank spec, not a dps one).
Brew feels fine, but I will tell you that the difference between Harmony and Shadowpan survivability is night and day with additional celestial brew charges. Also Blackout combo is going to see a lot more play, it’s not at legion levels of broken but the stagger pause on high keys is massive with celestial brew scaling from amount of purified stagger. This lets you stack insane stagger ticks, combo purify them and your celestial is like a 7 mil shield.
It’s in a good place, but is lacking some damage if anything, I can agree there.
Thing about tanks in wow is- in the easy content all of them are insanely OP, always have been i think
so yeah brewmaster is pretty good in follower dungeons n such
it’s kind of unavoidable when they have to be able to tank insanely high hits in mythic+ and raids
I’m not. As long as Equinox is doing high keys with his custom groups, Blizzard thinks we’re doing fine. They don’t actually look at any data, just at screenshots on twitter.
mmm… now, and keep in mind i’m not a brewmaster main (cause i don’t tank), but as far as i can tell, the class is built around just letting mobs hurt you on purpose, so you build-up stagger, with celestial-brew being for in-case of emergencies… which sounds pretty bad for mythic+, where-
yeah. where they have to deal with huge spikes in damage cause of how it ramps up.
as i said though, i’m not a bm-monk main, so i’m not sure if there’s some secret-way for them to compensate or something. i just like to mess-around in the follower dungeons.
also-also, i definitely don’t do m+. too many horror-stories.
Shado pan actually has better survivability. Celestial brew getting 2 charges doesn’t mean much when the shield is tiny, and shado pan basically has 10% DR at all times in aoe thanks to predictive training. So yeah, shado pan is both more mitigation and damage
Yeah it’s a shame celestial brew and expel harm are garbage. I remember playing a bit of monk in WoD and the guard ability (basically like celestial brew, just a big shield) felt great to use.
why does that number even matter? it shows that it’s possible to be 2500 as either.
so, in top 100 runs there are the same number of prot paladins as bm monks.
viability has nothing to do with “how easy it is for most people” which is an ad populum fallacy.
and so the entire “hey i’m getting wrecked” is down to comp and skill. it is valid to say that some tanks are better than others when your group is undergeared or your healer isn’t good.
but it’s silly to state that one is less viable than the other due to this, generally. it is accurate to say if you randomly throw groups of varying skill/gear/spec together some tanks will have more success than others.
i play all tanks and have no problems with any of them. i heal as all healers and my least favorite tanks to heal are far and away BM because i would effectively need specific mods to know exactly where the tank is with stagger and cooldowns. no other tank requires that.
Yeah Celest brew just doesn’t feel good. It’s weak. Plain and simple.
I like to believe I manage my stagger well. As I’ve heard a lot of positive feedback on my tanking.
My buddy, 620 rsham, who is doing 10’s, also acknowledges that BrM are the worst one from healing standpoint. We just require so much healing. (nature of stagger granted). He straight up told me last night after Grim Batol how some packs in there he literally doesn’t need to heal Prot warriors a all.
Meta is getting to people as well.
Im legit getting declined into 7’s. https://imgur.com/a/9xxsCLO
