Massive dps (like a dps class almost)
huge tankiness
lots of sustain
lots of defenses
lots of CC and ring of peace is amazing
tons of self healing
good support abilities and can sorta heal others too
(and to add) very mobile tank
very underrated and going under the radar.
brewmaster damage was just nerfed very heavily this tuesday
stagger can be ok but it doesnt rise to the level of tankiness of prot paladin, no.
brewmasters have almost zero self-sustain - that has been their weakness since the launch of dragonflight.
this issue began on DF pre-patch where all players were given 40% more hp in return for all mobs dealing 40% more dmg - brewmasters don’t have any hp scaling healing, so they were left in a position where they rely on a healer to sustain them.
paralysis, ring of peace, leg sweep… that’s it.
compare that to demon hunter: sigil of silence, sigil of misery, sigil of chains, aoe stun, imprison
no brewmasters cannot heal other players while actively tanking - their only heal spell that allows them to heal others is vivify and brewmasters cannot cast that while tanking.
I just think they’re neat!
Brewmaster has always been viable for meta, ranking A or S tier for many expansions.
It’s also always been one of the least played tanks including the class itself.
People want to play what they enjoy in the end.
every tank can do all the content.
when you look at the hardest content being done, every tank is right up there.
the VHD kit is pretty crazy atm.
i got my brewmaster to level 70 and didn’t do too much with it afterwards. not really sure I ever spent enough time understanding stagger or the brews to know how they work.
it was fun enough.
Except not. Even if you look at the logs of the top Brewmasters in the world (the 2 or 3 guys who prompted this week’s nerfs), they’re only on par with their Aug Evokers. Nowhere close to the mages & rogues & others they’re running with.
Incorrect.
Brewmaster is actually the only tank that needs to be babysat by a healer.
All their CC - such as it is - is class-specific and can come from a MW or WW. It’s the same problem bear tanks have - you can get everything a bear brings from a Resto or Moonkin. When they gave Stampeding Roar to the whole class is why you haven’t seen many bear raid tanks since then.
Okay, you’re just trolling at this point.
I never need to be babysat when I ran a group in mythic 0, granted its just mythic 0 but hey.
And I dunno how saying they got a ton of self healing is trolling? be better and don’t call something you disagree with as a troll. The traits I picked either way give me lots of self healing and sustain and barriers
Brewmaster has a surprisingly high skillcap. If you find a good one you keep them on lock because it’s a treat.
But they do get bricked at certain points, and stagger just simply wont matter as they get slapped.
Brewmaster is considered one of the softest tanks in extreme environments. They are the opposite of meta in M+ for that reason.
Also lol @ the # of keybinds they have to deal with.
yeah, I tried running harder content and stagger doesn’t work as well. In easier content (current mythic 0-4 which i’ve ran on my monk) it works decently.
I never did say brewmasters however were the best, just that they are underrated though
Stagger is designed to work well in harder content as it literally cuts damage in half, the problem is that sometimes you just run out of steam & CDs. Smashing low keys as brew is fun though, since you can just go full damage and be #1
Good brewmasters simply don’t die. But, as I said, there comes a point where stagger just simply doesn’t matter because you will get hit for more than you can ignore.
besides Vengeance, what other tanks seem really tanky? Like I find BRM super tanky in the content I’m doing, but maybe there are tanks even better I guess. Do find BRM fun and mobile though and still think underrated (not the best, just underrated)
I guess prot pallies are good and tanky if they stay in consecration. They have a bunch of utility. I haven’t honestly played my prot pally much so I can’t say much outside of that.
But what tank is super tanky right now? Not utility wise, just the tankiness part
Skill expression seems higher on a brew than other tanks. They either feel like thin tissue paper or an afterthought.
They scale well into damage, until they don’t. They lack the consistent healing of other tanks (which has been an issue for a lot longer than it should have been). Tier set is an obvious bandaid.
You made a ton of great points, but this one.
My brm does massive self healing. Im usually keeping up with good healers or just straight above okay healers.
But I guess it depends on build and how much vers you stack.
Edit because I just saw the patch notes.
10% is not huge, the statue was 40%.
But most of your aoe comes from keg, crane kick, and blackout. Blackout wasn’t nerfed at all. And if you do a slight talent swap, tiger palm becomes a massive #1 on single.
Being able to stagger damage, than purge is pretty massive.
And along with the damage nerfs, stagger got a 10% buff, and further 10% self healing from orbs.
I know my brm can pull big. You are just prone to damage spikes, but you can quickly purify it off or expel harm for most of your hp.
I do enjoy brewmaster, that’s been my primary “alt” since they came out in MoP. I put alt in quotes because I tend to gear them up as much as my warlock, but if I was to have to choose between ever only playing one character, it would be my warlock.
I do like their kit and it’s pretty decent although it’s not as strong as some (what I would give for a solid ranged threat generator/interrupt). However, brewmasters do excel in specific environments.
There was some data that was aggregated on spec representation for the first final boss kill of the RWF era (it doesn’t include fyrakk, just Uldir to Aberrus I think). Brewmasters are well represented there. You can look at it here if you like:
Shield accounts for a ton of hps, but expel isn’t powerful often enough to get you back up like other tanks. The crit gimmick, and bonedust brew, are problematic for balancing. Too much rng, sometimes I heal for 200k, sometimes it’s 600k.
They haven’t caught on yet because they are still doing great damage.
Nothing should be compared to DH in the hopes of being that spoiled. Rather DH should be reigned in.
yeah, I noticed the healing thing has a lot of RNG. Sometimes I did actually notice “thats all I healed for?” sometimes “wow not even a crit heal and that was a lot of my hp recovered”
And like said, its not crit healing causing it for me at least. Just seems well…random lol.
Large amount of abilities to make into 500 keybinds to still have too many buttons.
BrM is the definition of ability bloat right now lol
yeah I didn’t notice really much of a nerf honestly to my damage, still doing a lot in the mythics I do.
And yeah not sure why they compared DH in my post, I don’t actually think I brought up DH or said brewmaster was #1 the best tank ever by far. I just said it was underrated lol