Brewmaster needs help defensively to be on par with other tanks. Im bringing all tanks up to 2500 and brewmaster is definitely the hardest so far. they are just defensively not as good as the other tank and are the least represented tank.
They are fun and have all the tools, just need a bump in numbers
BrM is completing level 30 keys, it isn’t a spec issue.
Try working on replacing the haste heavy pieces you’re currently wearing and bringing your critical strike up a lot more and your versatility.
You’ll notice a difference.
Always make sure to get shuffle rolling quickly with BoK, and don’t be afraid of delaying purify.
If you’re forming your own groups with your keys, RDruids and Presvokers work wonders when paired with BrMs and you’ll give yourself more confidence going into packs.
Every tank is completing 30 keys. So I guess they are all perfectly balanced and in line? Currently 4 brewmasters are doing 30+ keys, making them 2.4% of tanks completing 30+ keys. Also, OP is correct that BM are the least represented tanks around 2500 rating.
How can you not understand that just because a tank can complete 30 keys doesn’t mean it can’t be harder to do it with that tank than others? They didn’t say Brewmaster can’t do the job, they just said it’s harder:
You keep doing this and I respond because it’s false, dismissive, and just silly at this point.
Yes, in fact, when the various tank specs can all complete keys at more or less the same level, that is exactly what balanced means.
Harder is relative, and new players don’t need misinformation that makes it seem as if BrM is significantly worse than the other tanks. The one LFR run that he has a log on, clearly shows he doesn’t know how to play the class properly. It’s quite safe to assume then that he is making a lot of mistakes in dungeons.
All that said, you can feel free to continue following me around and making a fool of yourself… but it is a bit weird.
False. Balance would be all tanks being able to complete the same content with similar effort.
The most elite players are completing 30 keys and they have chosen VDH and Paladin. BRM is the lowest represented tank in 20 and up keys and 25 and up keys. There are various reasons for that. Monk being generally unpopular and MW being so good right now. But it’s not just OPs opinion that BRM isn’t as a good as prot pally and VDH in M+. You say so, but all the available data disagrees with you.
I usually comment when I see error. Stop saying stupid stuff and I’ll leave a like instead of a reply.
Thanks for this, I know I dont have perfect gear, but im working on it a lot.
Currently in the 26-32 range there are 568 parses vs vengeance’s 26,671 and Paladins 8771. - Archon/Subcreation
Definitely not significantly worse than other tanks, it just needs a little help. I just wanted to point out that it could use an armor buff or maybe some additional protections. Its damage is quite good, only eclipsed by DH. Warrior is in a similar boat where its defensives are fantastic (except occasional magic), but there is little utility and it could use a little help in that area. I love monk and want it to thrive.
I try to stay out of LFR as much as possible, and definitely have never tanked any. Im definitely not a orange parse player and don’t pretend to be, I mainly do m+ because of time restrictions. This is also an Alt, my performance is not 100%, if you have recommendations like @Zoh I will try them out and try to get better. Like I said earlier its not significantly worse, just needs a little help.
I got my stats last night from raiderio. I’m not certain which is a better source
Tanks in 20 and above keys:
Tanks in 25 and above keys:
Tanks in 30 and above keys:
I agree that monk just needs a little more or VDH and Prot pally need taken down a notch. Plus MW being so good right now will mean less BrM is ran. But I agree, BrM is prob my favorite tank and can do what most of the playerbase needs, but I would love another utility option.
I agree with Riastlin that BrM, like blood in another thread, is perfectly viable. But to pretend that balance couldn’t be improved upon is asinine. I also think warrior could use something in M+.
I do 20 keys with ease in my gear its not the standard cause i focus more mastery then verse but i have no problem tanking 20+ keys i could even push myself more but i’m just lazy. focus on pulls which you know your going to need more stagger using OX or Dampen Harm or Fortitude Brew or Celestial brew on a rotation depending on the pull if i’m doing a big pull and we are lusting for it like in the beginning of Throne i would pop fortitude and if needed a celestial brew to catch up on stagger. Also ways to use the black out kick combo for M+ to reduce damage or reduce stagger. I would first focus on getting gear maxed out doing 11-15 keys first then go into the 16’s-20 and keep building till you max once there you will see what i see in how easy it will be for tanking.
I’m pretty sure the reason brew isn’t more represented in high keys is to do with the fact that pally can kick everything and dh can mass silence rather than brew being less tanky or less dps.
It’s not less tank if anything its more. Just people not using its mechanics incorrectly at high lvl Mythics. Like using Exploding keg on fortitude week don’t use it right away should use it during the trash pull to maximize defensive talents or if you pull big rotating defensives. Monk has one of the best self healing plus dodge attack mechanics but alot of tanks don’t focus on mitigation which is why healers go OOM alot faster.
I would say that you are correct on the difficulty in pushing with them. Yes, they are more difficult than a VDH or a Prot paladin to push high keys but if you have the correct stats they aren’t too squishy. Most tanks in 25-30s are pretty squishy unless they are hitting defensives or self heals.
Brewmaster is no different in this regard. I will say that I believe BrM is behind VDH and Paladin but brew doesnt need to be nerfed. VDH and prot paladin need to be brought down to the level of other tanks. While i know some people will say “NO! DONT NERF CLASSES! JUST BUFF THE OTHER TANKS!” That is not an accurate fix. Currently VDH and Prot paladin have too much utility that makes the incredibly broken while also doing crazy damage and healing. VDH this is evident by the leaderboards. Prot paladin it is evident by the fact that there are videos of prot paladins in this season doing 27s and 28s with just them and 4 dps and timing it. This should not be a thing. A prot paladin utility and healing shouldnt be so strong that they negate the need for a healer in a high key.
Anytime, I meant to post on my main but had forgotten to switch.
Goodluck friend!
Regardless if the OP is playing the spec wrong, he’s not totally wrong in his initial statement. I am a Brew main at nearly 2.9k and also heal as MW as an alt. From a tank perspective, Brew is definitely squishy compared to the other tanks, our stagger mechanic was always supposed to make us have the smoothest damage intake, but Blizz either makes stagger dogwater, or insanely OP so they nerfed it at the beginning of DF and have mainly focused on increasing our self-healing which subsequently has made our health bars ping pong like a BDK’s. From a healer perspective Brew’s health is def one of the spikiest compared to all the other tanks. We were supposed to be the smoothest tank damage intake but pretty much every other tank spec (maybe with the exception of BDK) has a way smoother damage intake than us and that does feel bad once you start pushing 23 and up. Also, Fort Brew even with the IronBrew talent, sucks eggs, especially for something that is a 6 min CD. It should be on par with a Druids Incarn with a CD like that but its mainly just used as a minor DR while you stack your chi stacks for a big CB.
I am almost 3.1k IO and 6/9M brewmaster. I do not feel super squishy at all. I feel like there are specific mechanics I have to be careful of but that is every tank. I feel safer on my brewmaster than i do on my VDH, BDK, and gdruid.
Echoing this.
Backstory: I’ve never tanked before (healer main, usually hit 2700+ io on a few healers each season). A couple of weeks ago I challenged myself to hit KSH/all portals as a tank and I did it as VDH with relative ease.
I’ve been maining MW this season, and I realized I had enough pieces to try out BrM. I jumped into some 18-20s and I haven’t struggled with anything. I feel way safer than I did on my VDH, and my DH has the cheat death trinket (which actually has proc’d, BrM hasn’t even come close to needing it).
One of my biggest issues with people playing Brm is the refusal to admit defensive talents exist. The “omg Brm is so squishy” while using a purely offensive build thing is getting old.
Also saying Brewmaster needs buffs because it isn’t keeping up with DH and Paladin is silly. DK, Druid and War are all in the same boat. 2 tanks being over tuned doesn’t mean the rest all need massive buffs.
I run the blackout combo build from Wowhead with the alternate passive diffuse magic talent (yulons something). Is there a different build you would recommend? I mainly blackout kick into fire for additional DR.
I’m all for getting better or making the class better. 