Basically title.
In order to even hold aggro on the initial pull you have to play suboptimally with aggro in mind.
For shado-pan, that means Keg Smash → Keg Smash → Exploding Keg → Chi Burst
for MoH, its Keg Smash → Chi Burst → Exploding Keg → Blackout Kick → CB → Keg Smash → Breath of Fire
Losing a significant portion of our Keg Smash damage going from S1 to S2 set, coupled with being the lowest DPS tank right now (especially in AOE) is really holding Brewmaster back. The group that I ran with in S1 with a ret paladin where I never had aggro issues before admits that he has to bop himself on the big pulls because otherwise he will rip aggro on something.
I start every pull the same way now. Throw statue down, keg smash and then AOE taunt right before it lands to maximize threat, then keg smash into chi burst and pray that its enough to keep things sticking to me – and even then, its not enough when your DPS is in cooldowns, and certainly not enough in big AOE with lust (Given that Brewmasters get very little DPS from lust periods – maybe 1 additional keg smash). During those pulls I basically AOE taunt on cooldown on my statue.
Really struggling to see blizzards overall plan here. Was the idea to have tanks worry about threat again? Was the intention to have DPS wait for “5 sunders” before they do their damage?
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It doesn’t help that there are so many pulls that are multiple packs that you have to gather. Keg smash doesn’t hit them all while gathering and doesn’t do enough threat to even keep the mobs off of healers.
One of my guildies who I regularly tank for said:
I’m used to your warrior where you just thunder clap once and I can pop cooldowns.
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The people I play with tend to understand that my statue goes down for the gather and then once they’re sufficiently gathered they still gotta give me like 1gcd or so before they start ramping.
Pugs? hit or miss. If theyve played with a brewmaster doing this style before they get it. If not, they usually see mobs aggroed = blast and since the only thing that has threat is a statue they just immediately die. They learn the next pull not to do that though.
Blizzard is busy of thinking how to buff VDH further while trying to delete brews and pwars from this game. Pugs are used to prot pal and vdh tanking styles. Tank pulls ? Let’s go 5 big booms.
Add that Keg Smash has a tiny range and a lot of DPS are doing passive AoE damage ripping threat, Ret/Boomie/etc…
I fixed a lot of the ranged aoe threat problems with black ox statue.
Made a macro to cast black ox, then target black ox (two button presses on the same hotkey) so I can aoe taunt.
Just need to cancel black ox after the taunt so that he doesn’t pull aggro back off you. 
I do the same thing but we should not have to for such a simple thing that no other tank worries about.
Hi mobs toss stuff at them hi pally ele enhancement dk druids bm hunters locks windalkers priest evoker some sh with threat reduction here’s your aggro. Hi co tank pally that does one move while worst gear then pull threat on single target without taunting… Yeah issues.
Dont get me started on aggro issues in raid.
I don’t get the boss in the intro. I just don’t. Doesn’t matter if I open with taunt its going to be lost. And if I’m up with a prot war or really any other tank i will likely lose aggro sometime before the taunt swap
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I’m not really sure why blizzard limits brewmaster’s range so much, all the other tanks have something besides taunt they can range pull with on demand. I suspect blizzard is worried we could kite too effectively if keg smash was the more typical 30 yard ranged attack, but I’m not sure how useful that would prove in typical content.
looks like another season of monk brewmaster sitting on the floor I’m done tried everything to make it viable but when the other tanks have it so much easier i’m just gonna switch to either my blood dk or the VDH i can’t stand the pally tank cause the lets interrupt everything isn’t fun for me class.
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Don’t give up brother monk! Hold the line!
I’ll still do weekly stuff on my monk just not going to tank mythics or raid till we get fixed ww for lfr cause I don’t want to taunt 100x to get threat off another tank
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I’d probably recommend posting all Brewmaster content in General. If Blizzard paid any attention to these forums we would have seen balance tuning in the last 6 months.
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