I mean sure, but Mythic Ulgrax is also easier than later H bosses, particularly Queen and Court, if precedent is maintained.
Yes, well these bosses are on par with H Queen and Council - in Normal BRD.
Noral Nerub is a joke compared to normal BRD as even people who clear HEROIC Nerub have issues with normal BRD - which gives worse loot.
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100% agreed. If Blizzard bothered balancing their game for their players rather than their professionals, it may have higher retention.
Having got AOTC last week, the thought of progressing on Mythic is laughable. The best raiders in the world, folks who do it professionally, struggled for 11 days in gear thatās sadly not much worse than I have nowā¦ while in person, with dedicated coaches, blowing tens of thousands of real world dollars on consumables, with the most meta comp you can possibly metaā¦
Who the hell would like to organize a casual progression guild to try and take that stupidity on?
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I think you could, reasonalbly, prog on the first 2 to 4 bosses in Mythic by the end of the season as an organized AOTC guild with geared players. Gilded crests and Myth gear are huge.
It is possible, and itās something I know our guildās officers are talking aboutā¦ but the prospect seems a bit daunting from my position as a middle of the pack Heroic raider.
Iām actually laughing a little here now, because I do remember classic raiders being an āeliteā sort of group. Luckily, back on Silver Hand in the day, Leftovers was formed, and this was how many ānot greatā players were able to finally actually see all of the raids.
So, looking at it from the aspect of classic numbers of people having seen and done the whole raidā¦perhaps this was intended?
laughing I suppose those old Classic and current Retail numbers will match.
Go Blizzard?
Itās very overturned considering it doesnāt drop any good gear.
I think youāre misframing a bit.
As someone whose played since classic, classic raids are objectively much easier than retail raids by a massive margin.
Classic WoW raids are completed on the same day they launch by people in blues, not because those people are good players, but because the content has such straightforward mechanics and the fights are solved problems.
Classic raiders were considered an āeliteā group not because the skill floor was high (it was very low), but because the time investment to level, attune just to be able to zone in, get the resistance necessary, assemble 40 players, was very high.
The issue is not that the fights in BRD are mechanically complex. The issue is that the health of the bosses is out of line for the expected output of players in TWW gear. Normal should be clearable at 590 with some prog. Heroic should be clearable at 610 with some prog.
If only 14 guilds in the world cleared it last night, that means itās tuned too high for even 626 ilvl output.
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Agreed. I think the biggest challenge of classic raiding was getting 40 people playing the right classes who can at least pretend to get along for a few hours online at the same time at all.
Mechanically, modern raids are way more complicated.
That being said, if the level of gear required to clear the raid is way above the level of gear that drops, then itās most likely overturned.
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100% Agree. If we need to get a new pug, everyone had to leave the raid. How did they not realize this would be a massive issue with pug groups?
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Yea, I went into heroic and 1st 2 bosses felt rough, 3rd boss felt insanely stupid. DPS couldnāt keep up with the ad spawns at all and people just kept dying to rot from flame curtains over and over. Even in normal trying to PUG it, I can do 1.4+ Mil HPS and my group gets rotted super fast. Bloated mechanics, overly punishing, literally PUG groups for normal are filled with players who canāt use any of the gear because the proper ilvl for the raid just not enough.
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Era accurate
Did you know queen mythic is less complex than naxx OG or onyxia? Nefarian and the bosses leading up to him had 4x the mechanics and literal dps checks at every corner. Dont even get me started on wrath raids. Most raids in tww ( and new mythic dungeons) boil down to " follow tank".
BRD is literally OG BRD pre-tuning. It was a raid dungeon. Not a raid. A raid dungeon. A special subset of dungeons intended to act as mini-raids with the ability to bring up to 40 people inside in exchange for not being able to complete kill credit for quests that led to the ability to enter molten coreā¦it even has many of the vendors inside that exist on the half of BRD the new raid encompasses.
All they did was add new animations, throw in one or two new enemies, scale it up to every boss after the first 2 on normal being a mythic, and call it a day.
No, you didnāt. The first wing is severely undertuned and the other two wings are severely overtuned. The fights were minutes long. I blew through all my offensive and defensive CDs, and the Moira mechanics are so fast I blew through all my movement abilities too and still got hit with her conal AoE.
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normal raid is harder than hc queen ansurek 
thatās why thereās multiple encounters and difficulties.
normies can find some fights they can do in LFR while uberleets like myself can pump the big glamor fights in front of the fangurlz.
Anyone saying it isnāt overtuned is free to attempt to heal the first boss on heroic lol
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Actually I think that people who think that nobody in the game measures up to their exacting standards, that they are the only one who is slaving over a hot laptop and literally suffering blood, sweat, and tears, that everybody else wants something for āfreeā, as though they paid real money for everything they earned and that investment of hard, cold cash would be invalidated if anybody who is undeserving got any rewards for playing the gameā¦
You present yourself as a person who cannot be happy, in the game and out of it. Your whole life is built around the narrative that you deserve what you have, and everybody else in life is getting more than they deserve.
This is a game that most people buy for its entertainment value. When it ceases to be entertaining to the masses you so despise, and the people you hate so much and want out of your game quit, Blizzard will pull the plug on it. Your value compared with the number of players who play for normal reasons rounds down to zero.
And no, I will not stop turning my car around in the end of your driveway, gramps.
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Anyone know how to start the raid, i get into the phase and i cant attack anything
Honestly whatās even the point in doing the raid? To be able to even do the raids youāll need to comfortably out gear them. If itās at all possible you can get equal or better gear for a fraction of the headache that this is. Itās a shame because it seems like a lot of work was done to make it into a modern raid but itās no where close to āworthā the hassle to do at all comparatively.