Brack was right. People thought they did, but didn't

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Just look at this forum. Almost every single thread being created these days is asking for changes. Everyone has their little list of acceptable changes that won’t change gameplay. Everyone has their version that still maintains an ‘authentic experience’. Thousands of different versions, and if you disagree you’re wrong because they know what’s best for Classic. Because their personal interpretation of authentic is the only one that really matters. …It’s tiresome.

Brack was right. Actually, no he wasn’t. Because these aren’t the people who wanted Classic. These aren’t the players who fought for it for years and years. These aren’t the players who signed a petition. These aren’t the players who accept Classic for what it is. These aren’t the players who are going to stick it out for years upon years. These are Current WoW players who want that experience (to one degree or another) translated into Classic because they’re getting offered that game for free. I’m not going to go into my opinion of Blizzard’s (or more likely Acitivion’s) choice of a payment model. It is what it is, and it’s not going to change. I’m simply going to implore the devs not to succumb to this growing movement for changes.

At the Classic panel at Blizzcon Ion worried about the impact of applying modern day values to Classic in terms of game design, conveniences, balance, etc, and how that would open up Pandora’s Box and they don’t want to do that. And damn, was he right. Blizzard hasn’t cracked the lid, yet people are going at it with a crowbar. It’s going to take an immense amount of fortitude by the devs not to be influenced by the horde of players who don’t want a true, authentic Vanilla experience. And to the devs’ credit…they haven’t wavered in the slightest. It’s just that as someone who wants that authentic experience, I look at this forum and all I see are calls for change…and it terrifies me. And I think a lot of ‘purists’ probably feel the same way. You can only be bombarded with so much ridiculous suggestions before it begins to wear you down. I find myself growing more and more defensive. People are legitimately asking for dual spec, lfd, flying, etc to Classic now. I don’t even know how to respond to these posts anymore.

I’d say Blizzard needs to be adamant in their next update to really squash all these suggestions and that finally we can have constructive feedback on this forum. But…they’ve done that already and people still ignore everything the devs have said about their intentions and design philosophy for Classic. So, what else can they do? I know I’m rambling now. I don’t even know what else to say. I’m just getting a bit stressed out by what’s going on here. I guess I just need to take a break from the forum.

Just as a final request to the Blizz devs: PLEASE don’t screw this up. I want an authentic Vanilla experience. I’ve resisted private servers for years, and will continue to do so. So either I get that experience from Blizzard, or not at all. Help me, Blizzard. You’re my only hope.

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Well, yeah. If you watch the rest of his answer at the time, Brack talks about being able to click a button to get a group as one of the things people would miss too much. If Brack were just a player posting here, he’d have been one of the very vocal Group Finder proponents.

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The devs need to just stay in their little bubble and make the game. They don’t need to be on the forums or answer our questions. Just let them do their job.

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Amen to that.

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And I hope they do. Ignore this forum and keep doing what they’re doing. The philosophy they’ve laid out is a good one.

I watched the game I love die a slow, painful death over the years to these suggestions once already. I don’t want to go through that again.

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Let them screw it up and private servers will maintain their high player count.

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Blizzard logic.

If four people want pizza, and each want different toppings, none of them want pizza.

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Actually,

Players were asking for changes on exactly what most of these posts have been about since Vanilla. I think the most singular item has been about Hybrids being able to be viable in all there Trees… That argument and plea has been going on since inception of the game, they finally got it right in BC but ruined the game in other respecs but at least in bring the player not the class was done correctly in BC.

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He was actually quite right he just used a very condescending phrase to express it. Very very few people apparently want an actual 1 for 1 recreation of any patch in vanilla. Even people who claimed to be strict no changers have been asking for changes to various things.

Not to mention that asking for change and getting it is in fact a core part of what the vanilla experience was. There were multiple major patches dedicated to nothing other than class balance.

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Well that’s just wrong. There is absolutely a large enough market looking for a 1:1 recreation of Vanilla. Do I think that’s what we’re getting? Obviously not, but I’ve always said that I want it as close as they can possibly get it.

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Nah. Trolls being trolls as usual.

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Brack is gonna have the most satisfying “I told you so” moment when Classic releases with sharding, loot trading, etc.

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Nice post OP.

Also, the massive “Go play BFA” argument need to come back

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I was on my browser, and was like “feel like checking Classic forums” but then i told myself “anyway it will only stupid suggestions and complaints, why am i cheking it”.

Then i see your post, thank you sir.

We will have long monthes ahead of us and Blizzard must (i can’t believe i’m saying this) ignore the forum until then. Otherwise we’ll end with a Frankenstein Classic…

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Absolutely No Changes!

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I enjoyed reading Mogar’s post. Thank you, Mogar. Even considering some of the replies you make to my threads, I recognize your conundrum here.

I organize my thoughts through bullets or numbers, a sometimes annoying habit, but here they are:

1- I feel that pro-changers do owe a “thank you” to the hardcore vanilla fans who kept the chance for this pending opportunity alive whether it was through playing on those private (or at least non-Blizz approved) servers and issuing petitions. You are a very passionate base. I dig it, good stuff. I also feel it every time I make a thread. At times this passion is scary and stifling.

2- I understand how these same players find ownership in the pending Classic server and are fiercely protective.

3- I also understand that the moment Blizzard announced this server, an entire novel group of potential classic server players were put into play…especially considering the pay model where classic fees are covered by a “retail” subscription. Some of these players are from BfA, some may resub just for classic, some lay in the middle somewhere. But we can see how these two disparate groups generally fall into two categories: “nochangers” and “prochangers”

4- “Nochangers” advocate just that…no changes to a version of the game that they proved to be loyal to and passionate about. Accordingly, the other group has no right to chime in with changes because they aren’t as passionate, maybe they didn’t play on the non-Blizz approved servers, etc. There are many reasons I’ve read on this forum to include that the prochangers can’t hack the difficulty of the vanilla game, keep them in BfA where they belong, Blizzard spoiled them because the retail game is waaay too easy…

  1. The “pro-changers” (at least some of them) don’t care at all how loyal you have been to a version of the game that is 14? years old. Maybe some of them define their own loyalty to Blizz as paying a subscription for all of those years with each expansion, or maybe they look at the pending classic server simply as a new opportunity to play something fun and (retro) new. Why not play it? They like the game, some of them have seen first hand how Blizzard implemented fun and useful things to the universe like flying, LFD, etc. and the new Classic game can be made more fun by including these things. They are paying the same $15 that the no-changers are, whether they also currently play retail or not.

6- Mogor is right about many of the forum posts asking for inclusions that are outside of classic vanilla. I see it too. I do it too because I have my own ideas of how to make the server more fun based upon my years of plying every expansion.

Also, personally, while I am trying to recognize the “no-changer” conundrum here, I’ve been loyal to Blizz too. I can argue that I’ve pretty much, on at least one account, have paid them the entire 14 years. So this classic server is a chance for me to play something new and, by the way Blizz, here are other things I’d like to see…

7- Blizzard ultimately has to decide how to cater to it’s customers. Watching the Blizzcon interviews and other things, it seems like they lean very far into catering to the “no-changers.” As I’ve said in this thread and before, while I recognize the “no-changer” passion, there is always a chance that Blizz does make changes to the new server. I am going to constructively offer my opinions as to what i want to see until Blizzard actually disallows this kind of dialogue on the forums.

8- One of the issues I see with this is how viable will the classic server really be as an ongoing business and financial concern, not only from counting how many players actually continue to play classic months out but also how does Blizz utilize moneymakers like microstransactions, the wow token, transfers, boosts etc in such a “no-change” environment. I know the “no-changer” people will say there were tons and tons of players on the private, non-blizz servers but honestly getting people to pay $15/month may be a risk factor in extrapolating what that means for them.

9- I actually think that retail and classic will be good for each other, not cannabalistic, like I’ve read on this forum. Call me crazy.

10- Lastly, I am not trolling Blizz, despite the crescendo of “troll” music you will probably see in upcoming replies.

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I want no changes in respect to the entirety of vanilla experience.

What I don’t want is flat patch 1.12… That patch only lasted a few months, and it alone is not the vanilla experience.

I want warrior threat reduced to pre 1.11 levels, to make content from that era to feel more like it was… AQ event, original rep grinds, and progressive itemization.

Otherwise, all we are playing is how classic wow was only for a few months…

I also want sever merges on dead servers… and brand new servers to open every 2-3 years or so to refresh progression.

Otherwise, No changes… I want no gameplay that never existed in vanilla… or at least no gameplay that is not in the effort to bring the closest experience possible to original vanilla.

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They are using 1.12 because that was the final most complete version of vanilla wow. And with them stating no changes to the data all that needs to be done is the underlying 7.3.5 maintenance.

I guess we should count ourselves lucky they are at least doing staged content releases.

For them it’s the least amount of work and they get a steady $15/month.

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Unfortunately for you, this dialogue is ALREADY disallowed here(just not enforced unfortunately) on account of these being the CLASSIC FORUMS. For discussion of CLASSIC WoW features and functions from the vanilla timeline.

NOT bfa features/functions that you like.
There are general/retail forums for you to suggest your ‘101 ways to ruin a game’.

If it didn’t exist in the Vanilla timeline, we don’t want to hear about it, bury it however deep your mind allows(therein lies the problem) or save it for general discussion.

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Sorry you are wrong. If you follow my posts or some of Saqe’s you will see quite a few replies removed by Blizzard. They have never been mine or his, two “pro-changers.” You can argue all you want, but what I tell you now is a fact.

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