Bots will reign forever and we can't blame Blizzard

If all of you don’t know yet, classic EU+NA together has around 50k+ active bots.
These bots are not being used by poor ppl to make money to feed their family, these bots are own by a single multi millionaire company located in China, they are specialized in botting and hacking in every single mmorpg you can think of. They sell in bulk all their farmed gold to resellers all around the world, and then, these resellers sell to players.

If botting 24/7 was already bad for the economy, these bots not simply bot, but they also flight and wall hack, killing mobs from above, etc. This makes the bot cancer even worse for the game integrity, let’s face it, WoW has no integrity at this point.

A company like that spends so much money in their program that it’s near impossible to detect it, they hire insane programmers and hackers to make sure of that.
I can assure you the option to detect the program injection to solve the bot problem is not doable, and obviously banning manually 50k bot every week is not doable aswell.

So the option comes to what Blizzard is doing right now.
Blizzard most likely has a script running that dectect suspicious behavior and keep track of it, this way they detect what is a bot and what is a legit player. Such a thing to be precise and not wrongfully ban legit players need to collect as much data as possible, things like reporting the bot helps alot in the math, that’s why Blizzard ask us to report the bots. After a while of this script running, seems like something around 3 months I would say, they get enough data to make sure they can run a ban script on all of the bots caught.

If you are a bit smart and knows a bit about programming logic, you know that the less time the script runs, higher is the chance for it to be imprecise and ban legit players in the process. Making a script good enough to make sure the character is a real bot in 3 months, costs X, making a script that makes that in 1 week costs 100x.

If my math is right, a bot takes around 2 weeks to get to 60, in 1 week the bot made enough gold to sell and pay for it’s subscription, 2 weeks is already too late for the fight, because it will be worth for the bot to start all over again. So unless the ban wave occur every week, the bot fight will never be over, they will keep coming back because they will still profit from it.

Lets be real here, Activision Blizzard is not a company that created a game to make us happy and profiting from it is a plus, it’s on the contrary. Their goal is making as much money as possible, they are in the money business, our happiness has a diminishing return for them, as long as it brings them more money, they go for it, when it gets to a point that it won’t grant them any more profit, they won’t care at all if we are happy or not, this is how the world works, grow up and accept it, they are not bad for doing that, this is how companies works.

If a 5/10 level of happiness is what they need from us to keep their profit at maximum level, that’s how far they will go, nothing more, nothing less.

This ban wave every 3 months (that is close to useless) is the maximum they will go, spending 100x more to erase the bots is not worth for them money wise. People won’t quit because they are 5/10 happy as blizzard intended, Blizzard will profit, bot company will profit, everyone is “happy”.

So that’s it, there’s no such a thing like a conspiracy theory like “blizzard own the bots”, “blizzard gets paid from bot company”. It’s just business guys, we can’t blame them, they aim profit, they are not in charity business. The only way we can get a MMORPG free of bots is if one day a millionaire fan creates a game for love, and profiting being a plus.

Ashes of Creation, is you our savior?

So stop blaming Blizzard, that won’t help at all. They are doing what they are suposed to do as a company. Let’s face it, bots will reign forever, nothing will change that.

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Botpocalypse coming for you!

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Your premise is flawed, you use too many assumptions, and present a false trichotomy. You’re the kind of person who defends billion-dollar businesses paying minimum wage, aren’t you?

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Don’t just generalize what he’s saying is wrong, specifically counter each point, otherwise you’re assuming worse than he/she is. I’ve never heard anything as logical as his/her information presented. It makes perfect sense. Now you’re reading what he/she said in regards to corporations as if he/she is for the 1%. I do not think they are big money, they are simply stating we all have the freedom to choose, and we are choosing Blizzard. They literally implied they want someone whose for gaming and not for money with the “Ashes of Creation” comment, so you really need to work on your comprehension skills, or barring that, YOUR assumptions. Please counter anything he’s said, I’d really like to know everything I can about the Bot issues.

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I didn’t say they are big money, I implied they’re similar to those people who will continually defend large corporations like Walmart for employing people for slave wages and making them rely on the government to make ends meet.

I don’t have the time nor the inclination to counter each point. He made a similar post in a different thread and I spent some time doing so, but the thread was locked/deleted while I was typing my response and I just don’t have the time.

All that really needs to be said is that Blizzard is doing a poor job at things and that to assume that they can’t do better or that doing better would cost too much money is ridiculous, as though their decisions can’t be wrong. They clearly have been wrong in the past, that’s why many of their games are falling by the wayside where other games are still going strong, that’s why they’re looking to these old re-releases.

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Lol bots will be everywhere. There are bots in the Roblox game World Zero for crying out loud.

two words: Susanexpress

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You are getting me wrong here friend, I am on your side. There’s nothing a wish more than Blizzard doing a better job, I agree they are doing close to nothing to stop the bot problem.

To me, Blizzard nowadays is milking their game as much as they can, their games are indeed falling apart, I couldn’t agree more with you.

What I wanted to show is how they think and act as a money making company. I don’t think it’s the right way to deal with it, the way they are dealing with their games is accepting it’s death and milking as much as possible until it finally dies.

I just wanted you to understand why it’s happening and that it most likely won’t change. Their goal is making money, that’s what happen to a game when that is your goal, sadly.

We got in WoW knowing they are a in the business of making money, so we can’t blame them for taking actions based in maximizing the profit over the game health. In long terms speaking, I believe, even money wise, this is a stupid move, but in the big real world, moves like that happens when you have to please other ppl in power, like shareholders.

The only way that changes is if it gets to a point of insatisfaction by players that Blizzard is going to lose alot of subscriptions and money if they don’t fight harder.
Do I believe it will happen? Sadly a big no. People kind of already accepted it. You can notice that when ppl accept their “we are fighting hard” crap excuse.

I hope I am wrong and ppl wake up and riot until they get to a weekly ban wave investment.

PS: I am a she. And sorry for the bad english, learned how to speak while playing games.

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There’s a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding in this thread but I decided to pick this one out. Blizzard does multiple ban waves a week. If you actually do a little investigative work, (going to those forums we shan’t name here) you’ll notice a lot of complaining about this.

There’s also this:

There you go.
Can you see now why I have no hope? Look at this guy. LMAO.

I add all bots on friend list, report them, and average in 3 months I get tickets saying thanks for the report, the bot got banned.

But this guy is a proof that they don’t need to change that, these ppl doomed us.

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Bots exist because people support them… that’s it.

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If it’s taking you three months to get the mail from CS, then it’s because you’re not reporting actual bots or the information you’re giving them is lackluster. I’ve reported an entire guild of bots on retail and within three days, they were all gone. I wrote up extensive reports for each of the characters I reported.

Around a month and a half ago, Blizzard shut down one of the most prominent bot toolkits. It was the basis for many gathering bots, and if you paid attention, you’d notice just how much the price of items like Major Mana potions have increased since then.

Blizzard bans bots, more than you’d ever believe. Even if they supplied you with all the evidence and a thorough explanation of how they do it, there’s just some people that will never believe the truth no matter how much it’s revealed to them.

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Idk, I can detect them on sight whenever I see them in game and I’m just a casual neck beard scrub.
Usually when I see a guileless hunter with a pet name in character symbols that I can’t read that turns in 90 degree angles is an indicator. Or when I do a simple /who search of BRD and see every single one of the 50 rogues in there is guildless. But hey, probably just a coincidence, right? Surely billion dollar Blizzcake can hire a few GMs or programmers themselves to at least give the bots a run for their money?

If Blizzard can start banning bots by level 10 instead of 10 weeks after hitting lvl 60 then maybe the bot companies of China won’t make enough profits to carry on.

Just my tin foil hat theory.

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Final Fantasy XIV just banned (terminated, not just suspended as Blizzard does) over 5,000 accounts for violating the rules surrounding “real money trading and other illicit activities” that undermine the in-game economy, and throw the balance out of whack.

A further 814 were terminated for trying to take part in the above, advertising or otherwise attempting to create a deal that involved real currency, rather than the gil that’s used through-out the Final Fantasy series.

Imagine if Blizzard attempted this kind of effort rather than the laissez faire attitude they have adopted towards their servers. Makes you think maybe there are better administered MMORPGs out there? :wink:

Thanks.

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I knew bots were taking over when bots condescendingly started trying to make me prove that I’m a human.

Don’t try to use your low rent, armchair economic ignorance to scold Blizz for something that is nothing like the situation you are incorrectly complaining about.

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I’ve been kind of fascinated by the whole thing on a social and economic level. I assume Blizz wouldn’t appreciate my getting into it but if you’re willing to assume the risk it puts Bitcoin mining to shame…

I suspect Blizzard may be putting a squeeze on the supply side though judging from the direction of the RMT markets. Prices are 3-4 times higher than they were just a couple months ago which is incredibly counter-intuitive on the eve of a large predictable inflationary event.
People could just be hoarding their gold in anticipation of the launch… but with raiding dropping off and consumable prices plummeting on every server it just doesn’t make sense unless there’s something dramatic happening on the supply side as well.

The kids today don’t know the legend that was Susanexpress.

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honestly, just be tougher on the gold buyers.

yea it’s going to shock the community, but after that, you’ll be on easy street.

Just put it on blast… From this point on all illegal gold transactions will result in account termination. Maybe even a little Agree button you have to accept before logging in to your toon once after the d-day.

First few big name people that get hit is going to send a shockwave lol

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Hell in 2003 they were banning people consistently for buying gold. It happened to me! Of course you buying 200 gold was like a huge deal back then. If you had 200 gold you’d probably be able to afford a twink or something.

I just feel like technology has improved so much since then, why shouldn’t blizzard be held accountable? Like, facebook shuts down free speech for billions of people in like seconds. In the words of sleepy Joe, "COME ON MAN’

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