Boost is not the problem
Blizzard not dealing with Bots in a timely/transparent manner is the problem
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So you wanted to make a post about why you donāt understand how tokens work?
Botters can bot in both games. As you said, they have 100s of millions of gold in retail, if they canāt sell it they can turn it into tokens and use those tokens to buy boosts in classic.
Why on earth would you make an argument about them buying the boost with actual money? If anything, your argument about them having way more gold than they can possible sell PROVES they are going to buy boosts.
How is seriously nobody able to realize the sub gives access to two games- both of which have massive botting problems?
If I have 100s of millions of gold in retail (which for botters isnāt hard), I can fund an entire army of boosted bots, and if I canāt sell the gold in retail- but can sell it more easily in classic- itās pretty obvious Iād use the boosts.
Can anyone explain why bots with enough gold to buy thousands of tokens wouldnāt do this?
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you are totally and completely clueless about how this works. The fact that you think that rogue botting in BRD is more than 50g/h, including sellables, proves you know nothing about it. You literally can not cast the ability fast enough to get more. This is not even counting the RNG around resists. A bot will either have to wait on vanish cooldown or risk having to run back which only lowers the gold per hour. They canāt kill the mobs or it will eventually break the farm and they will have to exit and reset which is not how they work. If they are making gold on selling then they either need to leave to sell or bring, yet another, toon in to pick things up to run to the AH. That toon then enters the average lowering the g/h/account. This makes the ROI on the boost at less than 2 days at current prices, bigger servers are closer to 1.5 days. They will absolutely use the boost.
With your argument, lets live in fairytale land for a minuteā¦ Lets say the brd farm was 100g/h(LOL)ā¦ That would make the ROI 1 day or less. So, why would they not use the boost if they actually needed to level a new one or were new to the scene? Literally makes the boost worth $120-150 which is A LOT of money in these poor asian and south american countries. The risk is extremely low on top of it.
How can you trust information posted on a sleazy gold selling site? Iād go check one of them myself just to see what youāre talking about, but I donāt even want to risk going to one of those sites. Seems like a good way to catch internet AIDS.
And what do you mean by āverified?ā Verified by whom? They are the video game equivalent of a drug dealer or a pimp, operating on the black market.
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I just explained it to you, there is no reason for them to use it because they are already sitting on mountains of gold. The gold they can generate EXTRA with the time saved while buying the boost is irrelevant. Because they already have more gold than they know what to do with. So why would they go out and spend money on the boost themselves when they already have too much gold. Itās better for them to just take one of their bots out of commission for a couple days to level up another one lol.
If they sold the gold as quick as they made it then what you are saying would be true, but they donāt. Full stop. End of discussion.
Have you ever shopped at Costco. They have everything in massive overstock! Just an example.
See and thank you for letting everyone here know that you have no clue how the gold market works in wow. If you are so clueless that you havenāt even checked on these sites, then what makes you believe you even should have an opinion on any of this. Youāre actually clueless.
That is a giant assumption that has no basis in reality.
And they still run out of toilet paperā¦
Honestly I just wish players didnāt buy gold from these sellers so much and so often and in such high numbers to require sustain and require this level of botting.
People are blaming botters and blizzard boosts when the problem is really the players. Gold selling was definitely a thing in 2005-2010 era but not anywhere near the frequency of 2020+ and there werenāt even as many players playing now.
Yes of course lol.
Because the time spent to get enough gold to buy a boost, is more than the time spent to just level up your own character.
To buy a $60 boost you would need to dump over 600k gold onto that token. 600k can fund you 4 bots for a month. You are better off using that gold to buy your multiple bots game time, instead of using it for a single boost. Or if you such a surplus you just sit on it and sell whatever you donāt need for game time, to people buying gold on retail (and yes, people still buy gold on retail even with the token lol).
This isnāt an assumption. Go check out the websites and they will show you their stockpiles. Iāve sold on these accounts before, they are very very well done itās not just some sketchy site anymore. You have to show proof of your stock pile in order to be verified.
You can put on your tinfoil hat and not believe it if you want to, but thatās not the reality of the situation. Period.
You seriously cannot see the forest for the trees.
Letās break this down one more time.
- Subscription cost = $15/mo
- Boost cost (projection) = $60
Ok, I give two people $75 each and tell them to go farm gold for 30 days, the one with the most wins!
Person 1:
Pays for 1 month of game time on 1 account and a boosts: Total spent = $75
After 30 days of gold farming they net 36,000g
Person 2:
Pays for 1 month of game time and no boosts for 5 accounts: Total spent = $75
After 25 days of gold farming (took off 5 days to level) they net 150,000g
Who won? The person who had more accounts over paying for a boost!
DONE!
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Actually pretty depressing to read that.
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Being super knowledgeable about the sleazy gold selling business is not something to be proud of, IMO.
But I understand economics in general, and Iām telling you that stockpiling a massive surplus makes no sense from a business and economic standpoint. But you are wanting everyone here to believe that this is the case simply because these shady sites claim to have huge stockpiles. Itās the foundation of your argument.
Sorry, but thatās just not good enough.
Commenting on subjects you know nothing about probably isnāt something you should be proud of either.
I got a quick question for you economics expert. How come diamonds are so expensive when they arenāt as rare as people tend to believe they are?
Itās called controlling the price of the market. If they set it too cheap, people will buy tons of it, effectively making it worthless, ruining their stock pile and you can run yourself out of a job.
So what is it- do they have so much gold they donāt know what to do with it, hundreds of millions of gold that isnāt sellingā¦
Or do they not have enough to fund a few boosts? Also- source on boosts in classic being 60$?
Again, I thought these people had massive stockpiles of gold they canāt possibly sell- you seem to be under the impression that they are limited in what they can afford in turning that gold into boosts/subs. Especially since getting millions of gold in retail is as easy as getting thousands in classic.
If they can pay for a boost in 25% of the time botting on retail as itād take to level 1-58 on classic, why would they not take advantage of how much time that saves?
I never said they donāt have enough to buy boosts I literally just explained to you why they donāt.
If you arenāt going to read what Iām telling you then stop commenting.
Also I obviously have to use $60 as the guess hereā¦ Iām pretty sure even a child could have picked up on that.
Because the math does not lie. They get a better ROI buying multple account for the same investment.
But this is generally only possible when there is monopoly power. OPEC, for example. A quick google search, and it appears that De Beers controls most of the diamonds in the world, so that market would qualify.
But I donāt think this is the case with WoW gold, is it? Any hack with a bot program can set up shop and farm gold and make a website to sell it on. Free market competition makes it very difficult for prices to be controlled.
Boy oh boy you could not be more wrong.
I used to be heavily surrounded by the bot community in MoP and your idea of these people is basically college students with limited skills or knowledge is so completely wrong.
Gold selling via botting to these people is a real business. They spreadsheet everything out. They know exactly their GPM and do cost benefit analysis research studies to improve their programs or farm areas. Ive seen someone set up a control center for their botting operation so they could monitor 50+bots at once. They hire extremely experienced developers to improve their programs sometimes paying them in excess of 120/hr. Remember we are not talking about some college kid with an introduction to c++ class. Or someone who heard of hbud. We are talking about people who think they run real businesses.
There is a billionaire in the US who use to sell wow gold via botting operation because he thought it was fun to manage. Its in an article somewhere.
The boost saves time and time = money. The current paradigm of blizzard banning in waves makes it so this cycle can continue to exist. Gold sellers will absolutely use the boost. Unless it becomes less profitable to do so. Which they will see in their spreadsheet data. You can go into primal farming immediately at level 58.
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