Blizzard i know you’re busy counting your cash with character transfers ($25 just to move around few megabytes of character data around in your server db while the user is already paying $15 a month btw) but there’s a pretty serious bot problem.
By design this game should be pretty resistant to botting, they are on a very slow and long path before they even get to the point of being able to make significant cash (for example with herbing you only really start making good money at at least level 40 zones, same with mining, etc), these bots are extremely obvious and crude too for the most part, when you talk to them they won’t respond most of the time, they have an extremely linear walking path, no jumps no strafes, usually hunters with chinese pets (not saying just because you’re chinese that you’re a botter just usually what i see), etc.
I’ve seen private servers be much cleaner, and those servers get a lot less profit than you do, in some cases absolutely no money at all, even accounting for server population, the percentage of bots is absolutely sky high with classic in comparison to pservers.
I usually would expect seeing much more bots on the official version obviously because there’s a much higher gold selling demand there but when i report a bot in his level 20’s and see him later on at level 59 there’s just flat out no excuse, i’m genuinely convinced that blizzard is literally doing nothing about botting and that there is no serverside anti-bot module at all for classic like there is for retail, dead serious.
They ban bots in giant batches m8. Always have. Also, those pservers where you illegaly played stolen IP had a ton less players and bots. So was easier to handle.
I stopped at this complaint because it’s clear you just want to hate on Blizz, which whatever your choice. But $15 a month for endless hours of entertainment is nothing. $25 is also not a huge price tag for players who need a fresh start for whatever reason. I moved a 56 mage from an unplayable server due to faction imbalance and it was absolutely worth it to me to continue his development and eventually raid on him. If you don’t value your time investment that’s your choice but don’t make it seem like it’s such a huge price tag. $40 for even 56-62 hours of entertainment (that would be playing 2 hours a day) is pretty dang good considering it costs like at least 50 to go out to a 2 person dinner, or 30 to go to the movies (3 hours of enjoyment each at most)
And based on the title of the post, bots do get banned.
Well if it’s enough time to allow a bot to get to 1-60 their intervals are way way way too long.
The problem with banwaves too is that with this game it’s actually ruining the economy, with shooters like CSGO and overwatch etc this is fine because the only real thing that is ruined is temporary matches with other unlucky legitimate players, the idea of banwaves for FPS games brings more benefit than it does negatives, with an MMORPG it brings more negatives than it does benefits.
I wish they had the good old GM system - or at least one of two GMs on the server at all times. That would enormously help out with the Bot problem, because there will be smarter and smarter bots over time.
The Right Click report is seriously making it so much worse. Because it is so easy to report players, people do it all the time to each other, and these reports are simply dismissed by the system . Or the players are getting kicked from the Battlegrounds right away or some other BS.
In the battle or Shell vs Armor, in the long run, the Shell always wins. What I mean by that - no matter how many anti-cheat mechanisms you implement and “ban in giant batches” - it won’t work. You need a human monitoring it all.
The “SERVER” was not stolen anything actually; they’re just an emulation that just so happens to be set up to work in perfect harmony with the “Vanilla client”
There is no stolen data on the private servers because if there was Blizzard could actually have the free-ware web services that provide the “Server” for free shut down by ye-old-google.
Unfortunately for Blizzard no stolen data exists on these “servers” and as a result nothing can be done about it.
Good day.
PS I do not promote playing on private servers in any way shape or form.
But $15 a month for endless hours of entertainment is nothing.
Endless hours if you have endless hours, not everyone has that, they can fund hosting and development of this game for a much much lower price, you’re literally arguing in favor of $15 a month and an additional $25 to move mere megabytes of character data around, this is a game from 2006, hardware to host this stuff is extremely cheap and the code is far more efficient than it was back then.
f you don’t value your time investment that’s your choice but don’t make it seem like it’s such a huge price tag.
Name any other MMORPG that charges $15 a month with additional microtransactions besides retail, i’ll wait.
And based on the title of the post, bots do get banned.
I’d like to see any evidence of this claim because i’ve been seeing a ton of videos contradicting this stance.
Yes, I am defending it, because it’s a free market, and that’s what people are willing to pay. People would pay more, actually, if it cost more. But it doesn’t. It’s more about what it’s worth to people. You’re also conveniently ignoring where I mentioned 2 hours a day equates to 56-62 hours a month and for even $40, compared to anything else ($25 move and $15 sub) it’s inherently cheaper than any other form of entertainment.
What does this have to do with anything? If you’re so dissatisfied with the fair pricing, then gtfo and play a different game. Plenty of MMOs out there, but yet you’re still here because it’s worth it to you. Which is my whole point with fair pricing. Seriously, don’t play.
Where do you even see the same name twice selling gold? I’ve never encountered that. Not once. I report every time and ignore channel invites. They’re really not bad. And I’ve never seen a bot farming gold. How do you know they’re not people, just because
Yes, I am defending it, because it’s a free market
No it’s not, an example of a free market is all companies being able to sell their own brand of ketchup, it’s the same product same concept of that product, if they want to sell that they are legally allowed to.
With this game no other company can sell wow classic or even derivatives of wow classic, you can sell an entirely new MMO and try to copy as much of wow as humanly possible without getting legal repercussions (and blizzard will sue if you get close enough), but even then it’s absolutely not the same product at all.
What does this have to do with anything? If you’re so dissatisfied with the fair pricing, then gtfo and play a different game. Plenty of MMOs out there, but yet you’re still here because it’s worth it to you. Which is my whole point with fair pricing. Seriously, don’t play.
You dodged the question, i’ll answer for you though, there is no other mainstream MMO at that price that still has microtransactions, your logic falls apart the moment you bring up the fact that they can price the game as they see fit and not why they should have it at that price.
I could legally walk up to you and call you bad words and insult you, does that mean just because i can do that, it is justified? Having the right and ability to do something morally wrong doesn’t make it justified.
? No sense is made in this post.
Look inwards not outwards buddy, work on your comprehension skills, my post is pretty easy to understand.
Sorry dude, you’re wrong. Just because you’re upset at the price doesn’t mean it’s not “right” or “not worth it.” Go play another game if you’re so put off by what you’re implying is “price gouging.” And no, your post makes no sense, because you are completely dodging my point to push your “moral high ground” narrative.
I am talking about the MMO market. Y’know, the market set by what’s an acceptable price for an MMO based on demand, which there are tons of them. So yes, it is. You’re trying to say I’m solely talking about the WoW market to try and make me look like an idiot, which is completely incorrect.
It actually doesn’t matter or have to do with anything if other games do this because you want to play WoW or you wouldn’t be here complaining about the price. But yes, many MMOs offer microtransactions that can cost more than a sub and xfer costs in a month. Feel free to Google it, your condescension is not worth my time to do so for you. If $40 is too much for you to pay for entertainment (and that’s assuming you’re putting in for an xfer, $15 if not) then play a different game instead of complaining about the price. You can play Rift for free, Astellia is like 20 or 30 bucks, GW2 is buy and play forever with no sub, an FFXIV sub is cheaper at like 11-12 bucks a month (microtransactions in that game too btw), ESO is cheap and a one time fee. Plenty of options for you.
And I did say why they do it, simply because people will pay it. People would pay more, it’s been mentioned repeatedly on these forums, go search back even before launch. You know, that little magnifying glass up on the top right? See, I can be condescending too.
Since all you want to do is push your moral narrative, seems you’re the one who’s missing the point. And since that’s all you want to do, I’m going to mute this thread. It’s not worth my time any longer. I hope you have a good day though.
I don’t believe the bot detection group is working with Classic. At best you hope your complaint reaches a GM who may spend 10 seconds checking a character.
I still believe blizzard only planed classic to be a stop gap between expansions and never funded proper GM staffing, bot security etc .
If they had these bots that are here weeks later still botting would be gone.
They are also interested in the flow of gold from all these bots. They want to know where it’s all going so they can hit them as well. That sometimes takes a bit of time.
That’s not how it works though, there is no MMO that replaces wow classic, with a basic product idea you can replicate another brand’s product very easily and compete with them by price legally, with wow classic blizzard has no competition because the concept for that product is too complex to accurately and legally replicate to the point where it’s actual competition.
Runescape isn’t a replacement for wow classic
Final fantasy isn’t a replacement for wow classic
Guild wars 2 isn’t a replacement for wow classic
BDO isn’t a replacement for wow classic
And neither can wow classic replace any of these listed MMO’s either, because these MMO’s are designed entirely from the ground up with differing concepts and ideas, they are great in their own right for their own reasons, not because they are like each other.
So the logic of “hur dur just leave the game play a different one” is completely flawed, these are drastically different games and do not replace wow classic.
It actually doesn’t matter or have to do with anything if other games do this because you want to play WoW or you wouldn’t be here complaining about the price.
It absolutely matters, the value should match the price, in this case it doesn’t and you’re defending their greed by saying that because they can legally do it that apparently justifies it.
I pay the $15 a month because of private server latency and the upgraded client, those two things are the only two important features that stop me from canceling my subscription right now.
I have the money to pay $15 a month and because this game matters a lot to me it’s really not that much loss to me by paying that much, but the question is do they actually need that much money? The answer is absolutely no.