The price of literally everything has dropped down to nothing at this point. I can’t make even 100g an hour farming anymore. Then I have to spend 100g just to spec out of healing so that I can have the privilege to farm. Meaning I can’t farm for a couple hours in the evening, I have to dedicate an entire damned day to mindlessly farming gold.
I played during TBC. This is not the experience I had. Whatsoever. Period. End of story. This is absolute horse feces and I’m sick of pretending that this is #NoChanges. It’s changed. Drastically. All so Blizzard could profit.
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Its not the bots. Its the players. We’re efficient now. Much moreso than 15 years ago. The best farming spots, best GPH, how to be most efficient, all available with a 5 second google search or a video on youtube.
Being a healer and trying to farm is rough. You either need a gathering profession or enchanting and just spam dungeons and DE blues.
My experience this time around is much better. I was broke all the time, had zero idea how to make money (and how to keep it). Now I can farm an hour or so a day and keep enough gold around for enchants/gems/consumes.
Blizzard has nothing to do with you being unable to farm. Its easy to blame someone else, but you’ll have to get better and more efficient as a player.
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Nah, again, I played TBC and I remember making my gold selling Primals. There’s no magic trick to farming Primals. You just… farm them… There’s only so many spots. They’re not secret. You didn’t need a guide back in the day to farm primals, you don’t need one now.
There’s a ton of gear that requires primals, lots of recipes, they should be in demand throughout the entire expansion. Many of them are already under 10g.
You’re purposely ignoring hundreds of examples of hard evidence showcasing the rampant spread of bots. You don’t need to be smart to do the basic math, but you have to be genuinely stupid to think that tens of thousands of bots farming nearly 24/7 won’t have an impact on the economy.
“It’s easy to blame someone else” yeah, especially when you have the evidence to back up your claims, like I do. Feel free to open up YouTube and search TBC bots. Or don’t. Totally your choice. But to act like I’m just making stuff up to whine about when there’s been so many documented examples of Bots literally all over every aspect of the expansion? You have to be genuinely stupid.
It’s not even an argument, mate. There’s no debate to be had here. There are tens of thousands of bots. Active. 24/7. Everywhere. On every server. If you’re trying to tell me that doesn’t impact the economy… Yeah, again; genuinely stupid.
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Yeah all the evidence are rogue bots in SV or another dungeon doing pickpocket runs. That doesn’t bring primals into the game. Everyone already has their BiS crafted, and have for about a month now. Obviously when less in demand, prices have dropped. Basic math and common sense.
Your whole argument is ‘i’m a healer and can’t farm…must be bots?’. Get over yourself dude.
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Where are the bots on my server? 38 level 70 hunters online right now, all but 2 of them are in well-known guilds. 44 level 70 Mages online right now, all but 3 are in well-known guilds. 3 level 58 characters online right now, where are all those boosted bots on Heartseeker?? 0 people in Blackrock Depths, 4 level 70 Paladins in Stratholme (definitely not bots, that’s where us Paladins go to make $$$.) 0 players in Steamvaults.
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Also, tons of people have quit playing. No demand means lower prices.
last night I checked prices of primal might and its a net loss to craft them now
A lot of crafted items are a loss to make now, including the cloths. No reason to make them at this point.
…have you been living under a rock? Blizzard explicitly stated that they’re dropping the whole “nochanges” thing because it turned out to be a disaster for vanilla.
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Ok good so we can all agree
Blizzard needs to clean up the bots
Thanks guys!
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Its not entirely bots, its also people using automation to undercut the next guy and since there are so many people doing the same the prices are stupid low.
The botters are 100% involved also doing effectively the same thing because they don’t really care how little they sell for since the gold they make they sell for Cash any way, and the worse the AH they better it is for them because then you gotta buy their gold just to re-spec if you don’t already have a mountain of gold.
Its not a complicated system to manipulate; some will tell you its “just the players” and how “effective we all are” but they neglect to mention automation they use on the AH to undercut / cancel auctions, etc.
That automation of the game via 3rd party software (addons) is every bit as toxic as botting.
If I had to give up all my addons and play the game 100% without addons just to end the botters, scripers, and so on… I would do it. I would even give up my macro’s and “GIT GOOD” if it meant the end of the automation…
you know why they don’t kill automation tho? Because bad players are dependent on them, and they cant play for crap without their addons holding their hand. Recently I attempted to play wtihout addons of any kind, did a few raids, some arena, some BG’ and frankly its not all that different and it took me back to a different time in game play where I just knew less about what was going on around me and I had to rely more on intuition and “seat of my pants” play than anything…
And really it was a lot of fun, but for most they’re so bad they would cry murder if you took away their training wheels automation. The problem we have now is you either run automation and compete at the same level or you don’t and you’re an easy 10% or more behind (depending on role / class)
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That accounts for like maybe 20% of the bot reports I’ve seen. There’s no way you’re actually this ignorant of the issue, is there? Pickpocket runs are a problem, sure-- but it’s a lot larger of an issue than that.
Except that’s not my argument, right? My argument is that the prices of basically every farmable item has dropped to levels that I never even saw at the END of TBC back in the day. The price of Primals right now would make sense if all the content in the expansion was cleared.
I used to be able to make at least 200g an hour, now I can’t make 90g an hour.
For their Phase 1 main characters, yes. For their alts? Maybe. For their Phase2 gear? No. Primals are used for more than just gear, fyi-- you obviously don’t play much of this game.
Yes, like the basic math of tens of thousands of bots farming endlessly. There are a myriad of reports of open world bots as well. There’s numerous examples, videos, and breakdowns showcasing their behavior.
Me highlighting that I’m a healer is just pointing out that I can’t just grind for a couple hours in the evening, because I have to be able to make at least 200g in a session for it to be even moderately worthwhile. I was mostly highlighting it because it’s bad even for a DPS class but it’s even worse because I have to spend 100g just to start grinding gold. I’m entirely able to spec Enhancement and grind the hell out of some Primals. I was doing it regularly for quite awhile.
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TBC had a steady influx of new players. Why would the prices of crafting materials remain high after everyone has already crafted their gear?
Btw, where are all the bots on Herod? There’s one Rogue in Steamvaults. Two Rogues in BRD. Where are the thousands of bots at?
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Yeah and I was making 300g an hour just skinning clefthoofs the first month, now its 15-20g an hour if that.
Know what else has dropped in price? Literally everything. Try and keep up here. When everything drops in price, that means you need to farm less to be able to afford things. Common sense must have a low drop rate.
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So my 100g respec fees scale to the economy? No? Cool.
So my 100g healing gems are less expensive? No? Cool.
Heaven forbid I want to get epic flying on an alt or something.
Honestly though, it shouldn’t really matter. You shouldn’t be making excuses for the current state of things. If you weren’t an absolute scum bag you would just say “Yes, bots should be banned. It’s sad that Blizzard allows so many to participate in the economy.” But for whatever reason you’ve deluded yourself into believing that tens of thousands of bots haven’t played a role in any of this. I love that you highlight skinning though, one of the very first professions to lose it’s value because of how easy it is for bots to farm skins. You’re proving my point for me, but you don’t realize it.
Again, please, tell me how my red healing gems have gone down the same percentage as skins. Then ask what the difference between the two things are. OH WAIT, BOTS CAN’T FARM RED HEALING GEMS.
World of Warcraft is in the state it’s in because people like you are the ones left subscribed. I sincerely mean that. It’s pathetic, anyone that can defend the botting issue is pathetic.
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Supply and demand. You’re attributing the decrease in price to an influx of supply. I think it’s far more likely in a phase where everything is easy and raiding is mostly non-existent that its due to a decrease in demand.
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20% of the bots online on Herod = 3.
15 bots are destroying Herod’s economy.
lol.
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Of course bots can’t farm red gems. Thats why they were 250g during first month and now their down to about 100g. People already have gemmed out their BiS.
I’m not defending botting, I’m just saying that you can’t blame everything on bots. The fact that you’re a terrible farmer, which you’ve made obvious, isn’t a botting issue. Its a player issue. People like you that can’t see further than 5 feet in front of them is a huge problem with WoW in general.
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Your respec fees dont scale which is a benefit to you… Prices are going to sky rocket next phase anyway.
Exactly. And why they’ll go back up next phase. Assuming layers dont get suddenly dropped, supply is more or less static… But demand fluctuates with the phases.
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At least you have a economy.
When I log on my Alliance server Horde 99.9% there is no more than 23 of us.
No matter what time or day.
But the good thing is we have no bots.
I vendor trash everything that drops.