BM rotation

Classes Hunter
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Can anyone help me with BM rotation... i read many guides but nothing works...btw new player
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Download weakauras2 and get the barbed shot frenzy tracker, just that. Set it up.

Once you can now make the most out of juggling your frenzy stacks, the rotation depends if you have primal instincts (Which is our best azerite trait and a pretty much necessity.)

With primal:
Double barb straight up,
Aspect of the wild,
Crows
Beastial wrath
Kill command
Chimera shot

So now you got that, you do have a priority thatovertakes all,
Refresh frenzy stacks at the very last moment. Even save your gcd for it. This takes priority over everything so keep the stacks going for as long as you can. You can't keep it up indefinitely so when frenzy down wait till you got two stacks again and juggle it once more.

Icyveins pve rotation for bm is spot on, if you wish to delve a little deeper on maxing this look over its whole guide. Gone are the days we smash face against the keyboard and top charts, now we're clowns and juggle pet buffs
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opening your rotation with 2 barbed shots is a terrible waste.

kill command should always be your first ability because it instantly gets your pet into melee range, unlike barbed shot which doesn't make your pet "charge" in like a gap closer every time.

Stomp is also your best talent option in that tier so you should not be using barbed shot unless your pet is already in rage for the stomp damage, which it would be if you used kill command first.

kill command
aspect of the wild
bestial wrath
crows if you have it talented
cobra shot if kill command isn't up yet
kill command
chimera shot

prioritize keeping frenzy stacks up over kill command
kill command on cooldown as long as you don't lose frenzy stacks
cobra shot to reduce cooldown of kill command
bestial wrath on cooldown
aspect of the wild only when you can immediately use bestial wrath right after.

icy veins never said anything about opening with 2 barbed shots. you will not be able to keep 3 stacks of frenzy up 100% it's just not possible right now with our haste and crit so low. do not waste barbed shots ever, they are your top priority followed by using kill command on cooldown.
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Is the op talking about pve or pvp?
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09/26/2018 08:05 PMPosted by Lemmiwinks
opening your rotation with 2 barbed shots is a terrible waste.

kill command should always be your first ability because it instantly gets your pet into melee range, unlike barbed shot which doesn't make your pet "charge" in like a gap closer every time.

Stomp is also your best talent option in that tier so you should not be using barbed shot unless your pet is already in rage for the stomp damage, which it would be if you used kill command first.

kill command
aspect of the wild
bestial wrath
crows if you have it talented
cobra shot if kill command isn't up yet
kill command
chimera shot

prioritize keeping frenzy stacks up over kill command
kill command on cooldown as long as you don't lose frenzy stacks
cobra shot to reduce cooldown of kill command
bestial wrath on cooldown
aspect of the wild only when you can immediately use bestial wrath right after.

icy veins never said anything about opening with 2 barbed shots. you will not be able to keep 3 stacks of frenzy up 100% it's just not possible right now with our haste and crit so low. do not waste barbed shots ever, they are your top priority followed by using kill command on cooldown.

Aaaaand, the problem with *your* opener is that you've wasted the proc on primal by not casting barbed shot prior to aspect of the wild... so think again before you start preaching to others...

When in doubt RTFM... and this case the "FM" is https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/beast-mastery-hunter-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

5. Primal Instincts Opener Sequence for Beast Mastery Hunter
This section describes the recommended way to start the fight as a Beast Mastery Hunter if you are using the Primal Instincts trait. It assumes you are using the recommended talents for the spec.

Just before the encounter starts, use your combat potion.
About 1.5 seconds before the encounter starts, use Bestial Wrath.
Cast A Murder of Crows.
Cast Barbed Shot once.
Cast Aspect of the Wild.
Cast Barbed Shot.
Cast Kill Command.
Cast Chimaera Shot.
Cast Cobra Shot.
Cast Cobra Shot.
Cast Kill Command.
When Frenzy is just about to expire on your pet, use Barbed Shot again to refresh it. If you can delay it further than this point, then you should do so.
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09/26/2018 08:05 PMPosted by Lemmiwinks
opening your rotation with 2 barbed shots is a terrible waste.

kill command should always be your first ability because it instantly gets your pet into melee range, unlike barbed shot which doesn't make your pet "charge" in like a gap closer every time.

Stomp is also your best talent option in that tier so you should not be using barbed shot unless your pet is already in rage for the stomp damage, which it would be if you used kill command first.

kill command
aspect of the wild
bestial wrath
crows if you have it talented
cobra shot if kill command isn't up yet
kill command
chimera shot

prioritize keeping frenzy stacks up over kill command
kill command on cooldown as long as you don't lose frenzy stacks
cobra shot to reduce cooldown of kill command
bestial wrath on cooldown
aspect of the wild only when you can immediately use bestial wrath right after.

icy veins never said anything about opening with 2 barbed shots. you will not be able to keep 3 stacks of frenzy up 100% it's just not possible right now with our haste and crit so low. do not waste barbed shots ever, they are your top priority followed by using kill command on cooldown.


Idk about you, but barb actually does throw the pet towards like kill command. Just dont do it in pvp for a stun lock into a trap cus dot will break it.

Also just like comment above, you wasted the proc on primal. The reason i barb twice is if you just do it once, you're wasting the refresh timer.

My reasons for doing this is as follows with primal instincts:

Barb twice to bring your pet over (it does bring it like kill command but you can prioritize Kill command if you want) and have 2 frenzy ready to enter 3
Aspect of the wild
Crows
Beastial wrath + any trink (i'm using doomswake atm which doing the previous lined up the most damage for me to get the best use)
Kill command
Chimera
Refresh barb and add third stack (Now for almost your entire beastial wrath you have 3 frenzy, note aspect of the wild increases mastery by a LOT so being in higher frenzy you just made the best from all that extra mastery)

Than go through filler rotation. Because primal gives you the free stack and the extra mastery you can make more use from it. Aaaannd if you use a weakaura to track the frenzy, getting every last second from it can extend your timer significantly. I've got 30% crit atm, by going through this rotation on a single target boss i never get struck out with not having a barb ready for ages literally 3+ minutes from my opener. If i get even 1 proc for a barb it'll increase this big time. Over a 15 minute boss fight only twice at best would i find myself needing to let both barb shots recharge to kick start my rotation.

Also last thing, from guy above you can clearly see the two barb shots seperated only by aspect, i just repositioned it just for higher frenzy and to get the extra seconds recharge a little earlier (cus chances are from wild aspect, you'll proc another barb soon).

Pvp and pve is the same, just you dont need to care so much in pvp cus being cc so much will let barb recharge so you can go ham again sec you get released. Only times you gotta be anal about the timer is if you got 100% uptime and you're not being trained
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09/26/2018 11:10 PMPosted by Àddíct
09/26/2018 08:05 PMPosted by Lemmiwinks
opening your rotation with 2 barbed shots is a terrible waste.

kill command should always be your first ability because it instantly gets your pet into melee range, unlike barbed shot which doesn't make your pet "charge" in like a gap closer every time.

Stomp is also your best talent option in that tier so you should not be using barbed shot unless your pet is already in rage for the stomp damage, which it would be if you used kill command first.

kill command
aspect of the wild
bestial wrath
crows if you have it talented
cobra shot if kill command isn't up yet
kill command
chimera shot

prioritize keeping frenzy stacks up over kill command
kill command on cooldown as long as you don't lose frenzy stacks
cobra shot to reduce cooldown of kill command
bestial wrath on cooldown
aspect of the wild only when you can immediately use bestial wrath right after.

icy veins never said anything about opening with 2 barbed shots. you will not be able to keep 3 stacks of frenzy up 100% it's just not possible right now with our haste and crit so low. do not waste barbed shots ever, they are your top priority followed by using kill command on cooldown.


Idk about you, but barb actually does throw the pet towards like kill command. Just dont do it in pvp for a stun lock into a trap cus dot will break it.

Also just like comment above, you wasted the proc on primal. The reason i barb twice is if you just do it once, you're wasting the refresh timer.

My reasons for doing this is as follows with primal instincts:

Barb twice to bring your pet over (it does bring it like kill command but you can prioritize Kill command if you want) and have 2 frenzy ready to enter 3
Aspect of the wild
Crows
Beastial wrath + any trink (i'm using doomswake atm which doing the previous lined up the most damage for me to get the best use)
Kill command
Chimera
Refresh barb and add third stack (Now for almost your entire beastial wrath you have 3 frenzy, note aspect of the wild increases mastery by a LOT so being in higher frenzy you just made the best from all that extra mastery)

Than go through filler rotation. Because primal gives you the free stack and the extra mastery you can make more use from it. Aaaannd if you use a weakaura to track the frenzy, getting every last second from it can extend your timer significantly. I've got 30% crit atm, by going through this rotation on a single target boss i never get struck out with not having a barb ready for ages literally 3+ minutes from my opener. If i get even 1 proc for a barb it'll increase this big time. Over a 15 minute boss fight only twice at best would i find myself needing to let both barb shots recharge to kick start my rotation.

Also last thing, from guy above you can clearly see the two barb shots seperated only by aspect, i just repositioned it just for higher frenzy and to get the extra seconds recharge a little earlier (cus chances are from wild aspect, you'll proc another barb soon).

Pvp and pve is the same, just you dont need to care so much in pvp cus being cc so much will let barb recharge so you can go ham again sec you get released. Only times you gotta be anal about the timer is if you got 100% uptime and you're not being trained


Trap removes all dots in pvp.
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09/26/2018 08:12 PMPosted by Faceslap
Is the op talking about pve or pvp?
pve bro just noticed even i have 366 ilvl every other hunter destroys me on dps always
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09/26/2018 08:05 PMPosted by Lemmiwinks
opening your rotation with 2 barbed shots is a terrible waste.

kill command should always be your first ability because it instantly gets your pet into melee range, unlike barbed shot which doesn't make your pet "charge" in like a gap closer every time.

Stomp is also your best talent option in that tier so you should not be using barbed shot unless your pet is already in rage for the stomp damage, which it would be if you used kill command first.

kill command
aspect of the wild
bestial wrath
crows if you have it talented
cobra shot if kill command isn't up yet
kill command
chimera shot

prioritize keeping frenzy stacks up over kill command
kill command on cooldown as long as you don't lose frenzy stacks
cobra shot to reduce cooldown of kill command
bestial wrath on cooldown
aspect of the wild only when you can immediately use bestial wrath right after.

icy veins never said anything about opening with 2 barbed shots. you will not be able to keep 3 stacks of frenzy up 100% it's just not possible right now with our haste and crit so low. do not waste barbed shots ever, they are your top priority followed by using kill command on cooldown.
i do this rotation but im always last on dps .... idk what im doing wrong rn :(
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I laughed at the double barbed shot on opener...lmao

Where do people get their information.

Hahahaha.
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09/26/2018 08:12 PMPosted by Faceslap
Is the op talking about pve or pvp?


Well since they removed BM from pvp with nerfs....
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09/27/2018 01:58 PMPosted by Romantic
09/26/2018 08:05 PMPosted by Lemmiwinks
opening your rotation with 2 barbed shots is a terrible waste.

kill command should always be your first ability because it instantly gets your pet into melee range, unlike barbed shot which doesn't make your pet "charge" in like a gap closer every time.

Stomp is also your best talent option in that tier so you should not be using barbed shot unless your pet is already in rage for the stomp damage, which it would be if you used kill command first.

kill command
aspect of the wild
bestial wrath
crows if you have it talented
cobra shot if kill command isn't up yet
kill command
chimera shot

prioritize keeping frenzy stacks up over kill command
kill command on cooldown as long as you don't lose frenzy stacks
cobra shot to reduce cooldown of kill command
bestial wrath on cooldown
aspect of the wild only when you can immediately use bestial wrath right after.

icy veins never said anything about opening with 2 barbed shots. you will not be able to keep 3 stacks of frenzy up 100% it's just not possible right now with our haste and crit so low. do not waste barbed shots ever, they are your top priority followed by using kill command on cooldown.
i do this rotation but im always last on dps .... idk what im doing wrong rn :(


if you're doing the correct priority, and keeping up frenzy stacks close to 100% uptime (100% not actually possible), then don't worry about it. The other classes just dps higher... also.. don't forget certain fights BM shines and on others it's mehhh to other classes
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09/27/2018 02:00 PMPosted by Moonuredps
I laughed at the double barbed shot on opener...lmao

Where do people get their information.

Hahahaha.


From the look of it, it's a mis-valuation of the timer on Barbed Shot. In the poster's mind, any second of refresh lost to a proc is bad, except in practice that's not true because losing a second or two off of a refresh is nothing compared to ensuring multiple extra seconds, at minimum, of frenzy.

At sufficient haste values or if you have one of those traits that extends the duration of Frenzy, I suppose there may be some sweet spot where double Barbing might work out. By and large you're more likely to have Frenzy fall off early if you have Wild Call droughts by not taking advantage of getting close to a refresh before increasing your early stacks.
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Personally i do not want to lose the cooldown reduction from my barbed shots (thats ~27 secs off BW youre losing). and would prefer all 3 stacks be applied after my BW in my opener, and to keep it so with 1 proc i am at 3 stacks during second BW that comes ~ 30-45 seconds after the first is done. I start with potion / crows / BW / barbed / aspect / barbed / KC / Chimera / cobra / cobra / KC. This ensures i do not waste the opening CDR from the additional free barbed proc from Primal Instincts nor does it was your initial 2 sets of CDR from your opening barbed shots. Total of 39 seconds of BW helps a ton.
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09/26/2018 07:34 PMPosted by Àddíct
Download weakauras2 and get the barbed shot frenzy tracker, just that. Set it up.

Once you can now make the most out of juggling your frenzy stacks, the rotation depends if you have primal instincts (Which is our best azerite trait and a pretty much necessity.)

With primal:
Double barb straight up,
Aspect of the wild,
Crows
Beastial wrath
Kill command
Chimera shot

So now you got that, you do have a priority thatovertakes all,
Refresh frenzy stacks at the very last moment. Even save your gcd for it. This takes priority over everything so keep the stacks going for as long as you can. You can't keep it up indefinitely so when frenzy down wait till you got two stacks again and juggle it once more.

Icyveins pve rotation for bm is spot on, if you wish to delve a little deeper on maxing this look over its whole guide. Gone are the days we smash face against the keyboard and top charts, now we're clowns and juggle pet buffs


Ignore all of this it's completely wrong and this guy should feel ashamed of himself.
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09/26/2018 08:05 PMPosted by Bipsie
opening your rotation with 2 barbed shots is a terrible waste.

kill command should always be your first ability because it instantly gets your pet into melee range, unlike barbed shot which doesn't make your pet "charge" in like a gap closer every time.

Stomp is also your best talent option in that tier so you should not be using barbed shot unless your pet is already in rage for the stomp damage, which it would be if you used kill command first.

kill command
aspect of the wild
bestial wrath
crows if you have it talented
cobra shot if kill command isn't up yet
kill command
chimera shot

prioritize keeping frenzy stacks up over kill command
kill command on cooldown as long as you don't lose frenzy stacks
cobra shot to reduce cooldown of kill command
bestial wrath on cooldown
aspect of the wild only when you can immediately use bestial wrath right after.

icy veins never said anything about opening with 2 barbed shots. you will not be able to keep 3 stacks of frenzy up 100% it's just not possible right now with our haste and crit so low. do not waste barbed shots ever, they are your top priority followed by using kill command on cooldown.


This is also wrong as this guy is wasting the charge of barbed shot primal instintcs gives you.
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The game literally tells you your rotation on your spec screen.
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There are a bunch of burn down the add / pile of goo, etc. moments in Uldir, so I tend to not waste my Crows in the opening salvo on the main boss unless it's a single target encounter - I will use them on stalks or other targets that tend to die just shy of the duration and give me an instant reset.
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09/26/2018 07:12 PMPosted by Romantic
Can anyone help me with BM rotation... i read many guides but nothing works...btw new player


it doesn't matter
your main goal is to cast the kill command very often
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If you believe you understand the rotation and are executing it correctly, but still doing poorly in damage, do you have any logs we could examine?

Are you parsing well for your ilvl?
If so then it may be the players you run with outgear you.

If you're executing correctly but parsing low, that can be due to low activity (not attacking constantly).
Unless there are no targets that should be taking damage, you should always be attacking something.
Also use BMs high mobility to place your next target in range to hit immediately if possible.

If you're simming and using the stat weights to help guide gear choice, that should be a minimal factor.