As soon as one of the melee specs comes out and cries how op BM cause out pets can kill them before they can touch us Blizzard will start with the nerfs. Even if it’s pvp they will revert all the changes for all playing forms.
The Kill Cleave buff is especially nice because of our 2-piece tier bonus, and is probably why Blizzard didn’t buff it further. I can’t wait for Wednesday!
They should have just re-reverted the Kill Command change. Now they are going to pigeonhole use to be a worse version of windwalker. It’s like they are so out of touch they dont even play these classes and just play whack-a-mole with the tuning.
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They have no clue because none of them actually play the game at a competitive lvl. They nerf us by 15% end of last patch and give us garbage tier set that isn’t even as good as last season and some ppl are happy with a 3% buff to AOE when raid is ST! They need to revert ALL nerfs they did last patch to get us in the middle of pack again
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Beast Cleave now has a chance that your pet strikes you for 200% cleave dmg because it remembered you sent it into battle to be mauled just so you can pick a flower or some random sparkly item.
I don’t have the new tier set yet, but so far these buffs didn’t feel very impactful today.
As I go up in key level, it seems the spread between me and others like locks, devokers, rets, etc. is widening. BM feels very meh right now.
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Agree the Buffs did little to nothing. Its just so frustrating they need to revert the debuffs made late and the end of last season and we may stand a chance.
Expected it to feel nice.
Barely noticed a difference.
our ST is garbage to go with it.
Again, BM needs to have focus completely removed, it does nothing, it only generates downtime, which is bad.
The fact that multi shot eats so much focus is pathetic.
Beast cleave is too short to go with it.
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I do have the 2pc bonus, and our AoE damage is nasty. On larger pulls in H Aberrus last night I was doing competitive DPS on even smaller trash pulls, and on larger pulls was far ahead of basically the entire raid (queue comments about heroic raids being meaningless, blah blah blah). Haven’t done any M+ this week yet but I expect similar results. The 2pc bonus with the Kill Cleave buff is big for us.
Bm does well in huge pulls.
It falls off hard in smaller
and our ST in m+ is laughable.
this buff is laughable
running M+s we still get destroyed by most classes
we have ZERO burst, while most classes have a huge aoe burst
run with ret or sp and see them do 400k aoe
My ST DPS isn’t laughable /shrug
Either every person on these forums exclusively plays with world-class players, or there’s something else going on. I exclusively pug so I guess y’all will say I only play with baddies, but I rarely ever get “destroyed” by anyone. Our utility is lacking and our survivability is bad, but DPS-wise I never felt at any point in S1 that I was getting carried and so far I don’t feel that way about S2 either.
Maybe post some logs? If you’ve got green and blue parses and you’re on here going on about how much BM sucks well…the problem might not be the spec.
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Ive done 3 fights in this raid and i got better logs than you in all 3 of them.
Pugging as well, with terrible killtimes.
ST dps in raids and in m+ are two completely different things, fyi.
Don’t try to talk about logs when you clearly don’t know the difference between the two.
Our ST in m+ is severely lacking rn, even on sims MM with m+ talents is simming considerably higher than BM atm.
I switched to my Warlock. BM is not in a good place right now. They kinda stealth nerfed the S1 tier set, so people aren’t clinging onto it with a 2 & 2 type of thing. The result is less DPS with the exact same gear.
Warcraft Logs paints a pretty nasty picture as well. After this weeks buffs, BM is dead last by a large margin in raid, and only better than Affliction in M+.
How? I think I missed that but doesn’t surprise me.
From what I understand, they reduced the proc rate without adjusting the wording on the pieces themselves. It’s really just something I’ve seen mentioned in multiple YT and Twitch videos, so it might be nonsense. It does “feel” like it’s proccing less though.
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You’re talking smack about logs when yours aren’t even public 
Not even sure why you’re going on so much about ST DPS in M+ anyway since, you know, trash actually matters in M+. And our AoE is in a pretty damn good spot right now, meaning our overall DPS to me is looking just fine in M+.
I got my 2 piece and i was kinda expecting a little bit of a bump in dps but it’s actually a loss. It sims slightly higher but it screwed up my stats to go 2 season 1/ 2 season 2 tier pieces. Pretty disappointed with it so far. Maybe with some regemming and crafted items i can fix it.
The buffs will not even be close to what they should be. Predicting it now.
You act like i don’t know how to play BM and MM perfectly.
FYI, i do, hence why my logs are better than yours even without a set group.
And what i said still stands BM isn’t in a very good spot right now, the aoe buff was okish but not enough, more things have to change, multi shot has to consume 10 focus, there is no reason for it to consume what it does now it servers no purpose other than refresh beast cleave, and speaking of which, they need to increase BC’s duration as well.
Can confirm this as well, im using 2 2 sets, it feels like the t1 set doesn’t proc nowhere near as much as it used to.