BM And what they did to my Boy

Classes Hunter
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I have Maned a BM Hunter since MoP. I Love my hunter and the feeling of summoning a fleet of beasts out of thin air to destroy my foes has always been fun. I enjoyed when you could summon your entire list of hunter pets on your team to show them off in raids against bosses. Using of course the formerly glorious Stampede. They stripped Stampede from us as of WoD and I was furious. It sucked, I was sad and I lost part of my player joy with the game.

I Used to PvP! I had so much fun PvPing it was unreal. Teaming up with my friends and destroying our opponents was glorious. They removed traps, and our ability to free ourselves with Beastial Wrath, from stuns. They stripped us of our Stampede which was a nice burst damage ability that also showed off all our awesome pets. I stopped PvPing, it just wasn’t as much fun anymore.

I Love to tame all the kool new pets and hunt them down and do what ever I need to in order to tame the rarest and best looking pets. this sparking from my Cata love of spirit beasts which were just shaman wolves at first. The Kurken which I started a drabay to aquire. Now, they are pigeon holed to BM, and I know there are pets to tame with a ghostly look, but if I want any kool abilities I must be a BM.

I have enjoyed 3 abilities maybe the most as a BM hunter, and they keep taking them from me and giving them back only to take them again. I Love Chakram, it hits multiple targets and gives me a little aoe boost. it’s satisfying for small packs, or single targets. I Love Murder of Crows, because it is basically a burst of damage that stays on my target until they or dead or the timer runs out, and if they die, I get to switch targets. It has ever been my finisher, I have always enjoyed the body on the ground and the ravens leaving them. I have enjoyed The new version of Stampede, even specking into it with my talent points was a joy. It is not called Stampede anymore, now it is called, Call of the Wild. It is basically the original Stampede. With beast cleave on it, there is few other abilities as satisfying for me, as a Beast Master hunter.

I would like to know why, Blizz, it is, that you keep Jacking up my moments of enjoyment. I would like to know, Why I must give up half my pet’s damage, to access multi shot. I have not now, nor did I ever use the two pet ability for the simple reason it gives less DPS. Why is this a Thing? I do not want that ability, and you seem to want to force me to use it. Does not feel good Man.

Why, did you take Chakram? You gave it to me in Shadow lands behind a whole story arch with one faction. I loved it. It’s gone, with no reasoning behind it. Why?

Murder of Crows. Is still here, but seemingly useless. No utility, no choice on when it happens. No picking your targets for death anymore. No Burst damage I can direct at my enemies, or sustained ticking damage that I can command. Why???

I have not even mentioned Wailing arrow, which I had hoped would be in the list of gifts for Dark Rangers, which I absolutely saw the reasoning of, but there was no reason. Because Dark Rangers do not get it back, it’s Black arrow. What the actual Chicken Fried Fricassee Blizz?! What the actual Eff?!? Not Even for Dark Rangers?! THE ONE FRAGGING ABILITY THAT SHOULD BE THERE?! Sylvanas Windrunner, the Dark Lady uses wailing arrow. The Start of Every Dark ranger in the freaking world, and the one absolutely should have been there ability that she has, is not?! Freaking Fix this. Please.

Make it better, put them back. Make them Base line! I am so angry, that I had to come here and make a post. I am so freaking furious right now about the absolutely dumb changes to things that did not need changed. Why are we Fixing things that are not broken?! Why are we taking away the fun and the flavor?! Why is there more choices that have to be made, but it is cookie cutter game play, again! No Nuance no kool little things to pull out of my pocket in PvP. No reason for it either other than, well we wanted to make it all change. WHY?! Stop taking things away. Stop Making things cookie cutter. Give me back my flavor and fun! It’s a game! It should be fun. It is an MMO RPG!! I should have control of what goes into my character! It is an RPG. If I am not feeling it, then I should be able to change it. Why are we still pigeon hold to paths in our talents? Why do I have to take things I don’t want?! Why must I sacrifice things I do want for things I don’t? That’s not fun, that’s not class Fantasy! Fix it, Please!

I just want to log in and have fun playing my game, not reset my freaking talent tree every damn expansion, so that I can re learn my entire class and speck over again!!! Make it make sense! Fix it!

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Crows was never used in pve ever, it was a awful button that never had any place in any raid or dungeon, the fact its a passive you dont have to think about its wonderful. Chakram was a press on cd and forget spell, it did hardly anything impactful and didnt fit with any cooldown cause you didnt hold it ever to line with other cds, you just mashed that button.

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At this point Multishot should be baseline for both BM and Marks. It’s like in the druid thread they have tiger dash and wild charge as a choice node, I’ve said make wild charge baseline across all druid specs and make the choice node either of tiger dash or displacer beast which I loved that talent back in the day.

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I used Crows all the time. It’s a great DOT that resets if your target dies within a certain time frame. I WANT to think about it. I like taking active talents because it’s engaging gameplay, not a mind-numbing bore-fest. Now it’s mostly useless unless your target refuses to die.

I also love Chakram because again, active engaging gameplay.

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This suggests that despite the fact that you claim you’ve played Hunter since Mists of Panderia, you’re overall a very garbage Hunter player. Your entire post loses much of whatever validity you were going for after reading this.

Animal Companion is not in any way, shape, or form “giving up half of your pet’s damage”. And since you apparently can’t math, let me break it down for you. One pet will do full damage. We’ll call it 100% of its damage for convenience. Animal Companion takes away 35%. 100% minus 35% equals 65%. Right? So what happens if you have two pets that deal 65% of their normal damage? The two pets combined do 130% of normal damage. Animal Companion basically gives you a straight up 30% increase to overall pet damage.

And this isn’t all. That second pet also follows your Kill Command. It also executes Stomp. It also uses its basic ability (like Claw) even if it can’t use Family abilities (like Spirit Mend). That pet benefits from Hati’s increased damage buff from Huntsmaster’s Call, benefits from Basilisk Collar, Bloodshed, Bestial Wrath, Piercing Fangs, Beast Cleave, Kill Cleave, and Training Expert. All of this combined means that even if Animal Companion was not a combined 130% damage between the two pets and was just a straight up nerf to 65% damage it wouldn’t matter because the second pet benefits from every single talent that improves your first pet.

Animal Companion’s only issue is that its a mandatory talent and should probably just be baseline with something else in its place.

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I don’t see how pressing a button on cd is engaging

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I will miss Chakram. I liked it ever since I saw it. Even more so when it dropped bombs.

However, I never considered it a fire and forget ability. It gives a damage boost. You try to pop it just before you use your major damage CDs. Not just spamming it all the time.

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Normally I might agree with you, except Chakram was basically replaced with Dire Beast and Huntsmaster’s Call for Beast Mastery on an even shorter cool down. Realistically BM isn’t missing a whole lot by not having Chakram any more, unless you’re one of those folks who enjoyed its (rather lackluster, in my own opinion) animation.

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CD (Active) talents/button-pressing is how you play/engage with the game as opposed to Passive talents that happen on their own and require no input at all from you.

If you don’t find the pressing buttons part engaging, what part of the game do you find engaging?

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I concur. I used Crows, Stampede, and Chakram all the time, without exception.

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interaction between abilities that actively alter your rotation not fire and forget buttons

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It would be engaging if you had to think about its usage and properly line it up with your cooldowns and it heavily impacted them. But it didn’t. You could get away with never pressing chakram and do close to the same DPS. All you had to do was look and see if it was off cd and slam it.

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I was surprised they replaced chakram and stampede. I used stampede as my “oh sh*t” button and if i was soloing a rare elite :sob:

did ptr players complain about it?

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I’m so angry they took away Death Chakram.

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stamped was one of the absolute worst bm buttons hunters had, no one used it, the dps loss was massive dropping chakram for it.

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it may have been for dungeons or raiding, but for quick burst damage for single/aoe out in the wilds, it worked very nicely.

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Except not, it did a single hit of damage to each target and was completely unneeded when your pet just aoe tanks 20 mobs in the open world and does triple the damage of stampede with a single kill cleave. I dont know where people get this idea that stamped did huge burst, it did not, it was a very very weak button that hit one time.

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Then you played BM wrong, you never held chakram. BM was always a quantity > quality spec, you never held chakram, you never held bestial wrath, the more presses you got in a fight the more dps you did.

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I’m glad they took chakram. Had zero enjoyment pushing that button.

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And this is even more why BM needs to be its own class. Obviously it’s too big for just one spec.