It’s like they forgot what they learned in the past.
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People keep linking this but randoms should not offer bis gear just like LFR doesn’t.
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And what they iterated on for WoD:
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Now you gotta actually do more than mindless randoms for top gear. Not a bad thing.
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The longer you play, the further you fall behind. The “just play more and work harder” fallacy at work.
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It’s funny that most arena players don’t care what type of gear a casual has access too.
In fact only you and Jugaa are championing this.
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Sounds like some of the best PVP expansions/seasons in memory.
How fast this narrative has switched sides when rated PVP Geared players will have access to the good stuff?
This has been the way.
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^ This.
Many arena players don’t find it particularly satisfying when they win because they outgeared their opponents.
It’s sad seeing that some players want to make sure that there are gear gaps in PvP, especially versus casual PvPers, because a level playing field would be horrifying.
What do you think is going to happen when casual PvPers realize they’re just random bg fodder for PvEers and rated PvPers?
Do you think people enjoy PvPing against opponents who are wearing gear that’s one or two raid tiers above theirs?
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You can still gear via CQ as we do now in BFA.
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This is what makes this game what it is.
But! having access to gear which removes this gap through PVP is the remedy.
IMO entry level Blues are important, these are the stepping stones to enjoyment and progression paths in PVP. Hopefully the path up is smooth. 
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I could be convinced that those casuals take a sick, masochistic pleasure in getting absolutely annihilated. Why else would they endlessly plague my random queues while in trash questing blues, and before even having bothered to get the legendary cloak?
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I encountered a human hunter with 120 k health , no cloak and 102 corruption in a EoTS couple of days back . I was guarding BE tower solo and he came 6 times a row trying to 1-1 me…
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Sometimes you wonder about someone like that’s capacity to even breathe air. LOL
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I hope he was a new player otherwise he was just intentionally trolling his team.
Lol yup, it makes zero sense. Jugga makes absolutely no sense. “PvP should be about skill” “there should be a gear difference so skill is less important”. Just lol…
It’s weird arguing with pvpers who are actively trying to make PvP worse.
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Randoms will never be even due to the nature of it. You should be championing for better scaling if you care about even gear in randoms… or even templates back. Wod Bgs were not balanced due to gear mattering.
No one is saying “gear mattering” must mean a higher ilvl.
The whole reason wod and other expansions get brought up is because there was a benefit to rated pvp in speed of gearing but not in ilvl of gear.
If you queued and got rated high enough, you had your weapon and 2 piece bonus before others, and then down the road everything else - trinkets etc.
That is benefit enough of doing rated - an increased conquest cap.
Which they could literally do in this bonkers system they have by saying:
1600 can earn 650 conquest a week
1800 can earn 800 conquest a week
2100 can earn 1000 conquest a week
2400 can earn 1200 conquest a week.
Obviously these numbers are just made up, but the point being instead of just capping every single person at 1 reward per week no matter how much or what level they play at, forces the reward benefits for higher play to be higher ilvl.
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Oh I’ve said that jugga. Unlike you, I don’t have two completely opposing point of views that I argue with myself.
I’ve said numerous times, wod gearing with much tighter scaling (like from legion). It’s not rocket science.
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Well it’s clear that is not blizzards goal now.
Then advocate for it instead of arguing with yourself for skill to matter/not matter.
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