Oh I know the numbers don’t matter. I’m just trying to point that out to those referring to the old “there’s not enough High Elves to be a playable race” comments.
Blizzard is on record saying “there are as many as we need there to be” when telling a story.
Void Elves by their very existence wreck the “not enough to be playable” argument.
And yet you also said
The two statements would seem pretty nonsensical as simultaneously held beliefs.
That is because high elf number count came from chris metzen after the “there are as many as we need to be” comment.
Its whatever the devs want it to be. So I would just consider it just commentary and nothing more
There is no way that the Blood Elves, Void Elves and High Elves share the same culture anymore. There are blood elf children that were born and raised in the ranks of the Horde. That alone puts them at an obviously different cultural view than when they were hanging around humans.
And that isn’t even getting into the daily life of a Void Elf.
Was it after? I honestly don’t really recall. I could have sworn the “as many as we need there to be” came after the “not enough High Elves” comment but I’ll take your word for it.
Yes…because if they have Blue eyes, then that implies that they are…High Elves…
Not sure where you are getting the idea.
The schism happened during the invasion of quel thalas and vereesa’s kids are still kids. So no such thing has occurred. We are still in generation zero.
only orcs grow that quickly.
Let alone in Cata, she considers Silvermoon their home as do the SC.
Void elves also come from the blood elves in TBC.
There is no cultural difference. Just political, and thats all that is needed.
I am 90% sure, but ultimately it doesnt matter.
But that is what their story is? When you choose to make a void elf the premise is not that you are a random citizen of void elf society (that is not previously existing) that has decided to live a life of adventure, it is that you are a citizen of another group and you choose to defect and become a void elf. This is different from other factions, such as say the humans of stormwind, where the premise is you are a member of a society that existed before your character creation.
Re read both of your posts and try to define what it is you think makes someone a High Elf. Because your posts seem to directly contradict each other.
Slyvannas has been deeply connected to both the Forsaken and the Blood Elves. Not to mention every single blood elf being a fel addicted junkie for years. You don’t think either one of those factors alone changed the way the Blood Elf people viewed themselves and the world around them compared to the High Elves in Dalaran?
I just can’t agree to that mindset.
That’s Umbric’s squad’s story, not necessarily the player Void Elf’s story. Players have the choice of RPing that their Void Elf was a member of Umbric’s squad… OR they can choose to RP as one of the new Silvermoon Scholars (Blood Elf defectors) or High Elf Wayfarers (Alliance High Elves) that have come to Telogrus to study the void.
The devs left “the player’s story” up to the players with a few tidbits to help it along with those NPC’s in Telogrus. The upcoming appearance options will help support the RP choices of the players. I don’t see any canonical evidence that every Void Elf player was a member of Umbric’s squad, and you yourself have implied that new Blood Elves are leaving Silvermoon to join so they can’t possibly be part of Umbric’s squad.
But that still means that your character creation is the act of joining the society of Void Elves from an outside group. Therefor the number of Void Elves is not the limiting factor, the societies from which their members come from is the limiting factor.
It doesn’t contradict anything. By giving players blue eyes, it implies that the player BE/VE is also an untainted High Elf. Thus, increasing the population of the High Elves in the lore.
To start, my walk is more to point out the fact the goal posts have moved over the years. That’s not a good thing because it starts to look like you’re trying to come up with excuses to not give a portion of your audience what they wanted.
Secondly, doing what is essentially dangling them over the heads of the people who asked for them can only be done for so long before it looks like you’re pulling someone’s leg. At that point you either act on the request (even if gradually) or begin trying to phase it out.
and subsequently over represented them, out of a desire to express the civility your assumptions would deny.
If they over represented them, that’s on Blizzard’s writers and quest designers. Quel’danil Lodge could have been a largely human lodge with one or two high elves. The Kirin Tor Offensive could have been mostly human mages loyal to Jaina instead of the Silver Covenant. The Suramar Campaign could have been just a Night Elf and Blood Elf thing. Would also help to not say things like “there’s a population of high elves in Stormwind”.
From a writing perspective I think the mistake was actually the introduction of the Silver Covenant. During TBC I was one of those people that said “well, high elves renamed themselves to blood elves in TFT, and the blood elves have joined the Horde. It’s a done deal”. Even during wrath I was iffy on the high elf requests and stood with Blizzard. As time went by and the cracks in Blizzard’s reasoning became more apparent, my stance on them changed.
The size of the population has been thrown out the window as a limiting factor of a playable race because Void Elves exist. And I’m hard pressed to believe there are more Void Elves than High Elves even now.
And AGAIN
Do you see the contradiction yet?
It’s not a contradiction to my argument, it’s a contradiction to the Lore. Hence why giving Blue Eyes to the players doesn’t make any sense from the currently established lore.
And on the other hand it could also be viewed as trying to come up with excuses to work things into the story which they didn’t really want to be part of their narrative in an attempt to make everyone happy. A bad move, probably, but not really the malicious intent you seem to be implying.
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It isn’t a contradiction to the lore because eye color is not the only defining factor for any race.