Blood Elves would already have rejoined the Alliance

If not for faction balance that is.

Now before you go on about Garithos and the Purging of Dalaran, yes those were bad actions on the part of the Alliance. Unforgivable? No.

Lest we forget, the original Horde tried to burn Quel’Thalas to the ground and likely would have succeeded had the Alliance not made a tactical decision to warn them and fight by their side. Because of this, the High Elf people survived to fight another day. And now they’re allies with these Orcs AND Trolls, so it’s hardly crazy to suggest they’d want to return to their old allies.

In fact, they were getting ready to do just that in Mists of Pandaria through secret negotiations with King Wrynn. Unfortunately, Garrosh found out and had his agents leave evidence behind to suggest the Blood Elf people were behind the theft of the Focusing Iris that destroyed Theramore and later the Divine Bell.

Now you could blame Jaina for going a bit overboard here and maybe she did. But she already had proof a Blood Elf had been instrumental in seizing the Focusing Iris and in the midst of her rage and grieving there was now evidence they did it again in Dalaran whilst exploiting the Sunreaver’s neutrality.

It was just a big mess that might have been avoided if both sides had been a bit more transparent with each other. If Varian had told Jaina he was negotiating to bring the BE’s into the Alliance and Theron had done the same with Aethas, they all might have realized they were on the same side and that someone else like Garrosh was trying to exploit the secrecy to destroy any reconciliation.

Had Jaina or Aethas been aware of this, despite her anger and distrust I don’t think the Purge would have happened but would have instead seen her and Aethas tentatively team up to get to the bottom of the Divine Bell’s theft and as a result draw the two factions even closer together in the process.

So yeah, both sides were justifiably mad at each other over the fallout for awhile. However, once they were stranded in Nazjatar due to Sylvanas’ and Azshara’s trickery, Theron realized that the Horde Warchief once again exploited his people and saw him as expendable which led to more cordial relations between him and Genn/Jaina once again.

But the real clincher would have to be all the way back in TBC when Kael’thas ended up betraying his people and trying to use the Sunwell to summon the Legion.

With the Sunwell once again tainted in the aftermath, the Blood Elves once again feared they would have to destroy it as they did after Kel’thuzad’s resurrection. Fortunately though, Velen had claimed the heart of Mu’ru and used its power to not only reignite the Sunwell to it’s former glory but also cleanse it entirely so that the Blood Elf people could rise again and be free of the endless hunger that was close to destroying them.

The generosity Velen demonstrated here cannot be overstated, especially considering the very antagonistic nature of their respective people’s relationship at the beginning of TBC. The Blood Elves in particular were outright trying to kill the Draenei people and took great pleasure in the torture and killing thereof, far more than was necessary.

To be blunt, Velen had every justification to just take the heart of Mu’ru, give Theron the finger and leave his people high and dry without a backwards glance and few would blame him for it given what the Blood Elves repeatedly did to the Draenei leading up to that point.

Instead, he took the higher path and didn’t just give the Blood Elves the means to live but gave them a future as well. And to top it off he didn’t ask a thing for it, it was given freely by a people the Blood Elves had shamefully hounded and killed.

THAT’S selflessness. The Horde might have helped push back the Legion, but the Alliance saved them far beyond what they could have asked for much less deserved.

I would argue this would likely have pushed the Blood Elf people to rejoin their Alliance brethren, and why wouldn’t it? Despite the earlier transgressions from Garithos, the Alliance had once again proven they stood for good and were willing to even stand beside enemies and save them simply because it was the right thing to do.

And while it would have been a bit harder to support them so far up north, we know the Alliance would still take it seriously and do all they could to push back the Scourge. Not only would it give them an important base of power in Lordaeron once again but re-unite them with the surviving High Elf population that would only make their people stronger together.

The BE’s might have owed the Forsaken their initial survival for helping them get into the Horde and use Forsaken troops to hold back the Scourge, but later events would prove this would increasingly become a devil’s bargain by the time of the WotLK as Sylvanas would start leveraging it to force Theron to commit troops to Northrend even though he was adamant about it critically weakening their still fragile borders.

That’s why I personally believe the Blood Elves would have rejoined the Alliance by the beginning of WotLK if not earlier if not for balance reasons concerning the Horde.

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Well, to be honest, maybe it could be an interesting story if the void elves would join the alliance after the recent events and not before. Maybe a missed opportunity. Just like the lack of clarity with all of those already in the alliance high elves.


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I still think if we could go back in time way before anything major with Moira was set up Blizzard could have set the Dark Irons up on a path with the horde. Could have made for some very good dwarf conflict.

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Your fallacy is that you’re only removing “faction balance” from one part of the system, rather than removing it entirely.

If faction balance were not in play, Velen’s selfless acts would not have pulled the Blood Elves into the Alliance because the Draenei would never have been part of it in the first place. The Draenei would be neutral, as they are obviously most suited to be.

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Despite the absolute whinge show this thread will certainly become, yes you are very likely correct.

If faction balance wasn’t an issue blood elves, or perhaps just High Elves could have joined the been the Alliance race in TBc, and likely a more monsterous race would have been on Horde. Maybe they would have gotten the Lost One Draenei from WC3, or ogres who knows.

But that ain’t happen.

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Why do you say that? The Horde has Orcs as it’s main and iconic race. You know, the very same Orcs who genocided them.

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Lets not forget the overriding context. Valen did what he did to checkmate his brother, Kil’Jaden who probably would have killed him, the Draenei, before unleashing the Orcs on the rest of Azeroth. The fact that the Blood Elves benefited from his actions was gravy.

So let’s not conclude that he was being entirely selfless in his actions.

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I can’t fathom why every horde member race isn’t flaking off at the edges and trying to join the alliance in bits at this point, if not because of the alliance values themselves, then at least to try to distance themselves from the horde’s history and associations. “Family” is a nice metaphor and all, but sometimes you just need to disown it.

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And the Orcs whom they forgive, constantly and without fail. The Draenei are almost psychotically benevolent. The idea that they would crash-land on a planet and immediately involve themselves in the local war is something that only makes sense when you take into account the absurd factionalization that this game enforces. (Similar to Houjin and Tushui literally killing eachother.)

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I mean, I know that not many people did Bloodmyst quests and are not aware that draenei always had some more agressive and occasionally zealous members.

Examples:

Kessel:
Heavy-handed violence is not the draenei way, but sometimes it is the only way.
This is one of life’s truths that many do not understand until it is too late. So it was for our people, when we were slaughtered at the hands of the orcs.
Becoming a Hand of Argus is a process of rebirth. And with birth comes pain…

Vindicator Boros:
Are you ready to spill some blood in the name of the Light? For Velen? For Argus?

What it means to be a Hand of Argus… We are agents of the Light. We serve without question. We die without question.

Vindicator Aldar:
Here, let me read those plans.
The blood elves have followed us here? They are evil to the core and should be wiped from existence!
[The vindicator takes a moment to regain his composure]
I apologize, that was uncalled for.

So, while yes, there are more peaceful and forgiving draenei, expecting even the regular ones to be all like that is a bit of a stretch. Yet alone the lightforged ones.


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I disagree.

Kil’jaeden was already defeated and the Legion portal closed, he could have just walked away at that point and left the BEs to rot. Instead, he deliberately reignited the Sunwell AND cleansed it which he absolutely didn’t have to do.

Kil’Jaeden’s defeat certainly played into this thinking, but him choosing to give the Blood Elves their lives back as well as a brighter future with nothing asked in return would, at least to me, qualify as him being genuinely altruistic and far more generous than the Blood Elves probably deserved.

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The Lightforged are especially vindictive and militaristic.

Grand Lector Enaara in Boralus :

It feels good to be at war again, . But I must admit… healing the wounded is growing tiresome. There are far better uses of my talents.

Many of the techniques we Lightforged employed against the Legion would serve us well fighting the Horde.

Kindly inform the High Commander that I am happy to ensure any prisoners we capture are properly… “purified”.

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You didn’t do the Sunwell raid, did you? Kil’jaden was at the point of crossing over via the Sunwell when Valen did his thing. As the “Prophet” he obviously foresaw this possiblity and acted at the Sunwell to close it.

Nothing ever comes good of anyone who incliudes “Lector” in their title.

I always thought the most interesting part of Draenei was their cultural flaw in how they treat the Broken but it seems to get glossed over or forgotten about a lot.

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Yes, especially trolls. When Alliance have Kul’Tirans, Proudmoores and Trollbanes.
I’m sure they’d welcome them with open arms.
/s

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eh…they have been kinda setting up the BE to join the horde since vanilla. in vanilla, there were quite a few quests the BE gave specifically to the horde (and dear lord was their model terrible back then) that showed a pretty clear hatred towards the alliance.

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…and?

:pancakes:

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By the gods, what.

Try again if not for faction balance draeni and elves wouldn’t be hanging out with either of you.

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