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I think the only issue is that there is no confirmation that Blue Eyes can happen again, cause when green eyes got cleansed, we got Golden eyes, instead of golden and blue.

So the implication is that blue eyes for blood elves aren't a thing so far.

Does it mean that the Light energy will always take dominance in terms of showing as eye color?

Or does it mean that blue eyes will just take a bit longer to come back?

We don't know, hence the lack of confirmation, but I do agree that there are plenty of reasons why RP wise a BE could have blue eyes.

IMO that's the question; is the light energy supposed to be more "corrosive" and the reason of why would it "override" the possible blue glow? Cause if they were the same in strength, we would already have blue and golden eyes.

Hence, gold will always take predominance, or, arcane blue will take a while in coming back.


See I always figured it made no sense why blood elves re restricted to a single eye colour. No doubt not everyone is using energy from the sunwell just as not everyone was using energy from the fel crystals. Mages don't use holy or fel energy to cast their spells they use arcane so surely that has to come somewhere. Given how sensitive they are to types of magic mages at the least should still have blue eyes; no?

The only way I can see it overriding the 'blue' or 'green' is if they specifically focus their magic in holy magics like priests or paladins for instance. That is just my two cents on it though.


Indeed, like in matter of personal opinion I agree with what you are saying, it would be nice if BE eye colors were related to the type of magic being channeled, like it "dyes" them on repeated use.

The issue I see is that all the evidence we have so far points otherwise, because with how it appears, it's less about the type itself of energy being channeled and it's rather about the radiation level of a specific source of power that affects the population across the board.

Like, you don't get blue eyes for channeling Arcane Energy, you get the Blue Eyes because there's a huge fountain radiating that energy, seeping it through. That's why all blood Elves got green eyes, not because everyone was using fel, but because the radiation caused by fel crystals and other fel energies to power the city/settlements

So I think that's the thing: The radiation of the power source -The Sunwell- is what causes the eye glow, or at least what has the "predominance" over personnal channeled magics. And so far, we have seen that the predominance of the Sunwell itself is Holy Light radiation, cause otherwise, blue eyes would have already returned.

So we are back then to the possibility of:

A) The Holy energy of the Sunwell will always be the dominant and Arcane recessive thus never show.

B) Individuals casting could "tip the scales" of that homeostasis and give the more Arcane attuned Blue Eyes -Cause it's also evident that personal lifestyle is relevant, as it has given BE a threshold between green and golden eyes which would suggest that how "attuned" one is to the Sunwell affects your eye color, so the question is if the "how" is also relevant-

Cause how it stands now -as in, the present evidence- It really implies that Holy energy is dominant and thus Holy > Fel > Arcane -cause otherwise, Blue eyes would already be back-

Mind you, this could be easily retconned by the "Yeah since the Sunwell is Holy/Arcane you get affected by the radiation you are more attuned to" So it's not like a Big Deal tho, I'm just talking about the speculation with what facts we have.

So in short, I think the evidence implies that Blood Elf eye color as a "permanent" trait is less about the energy an individual channels and more about the dominant radiation of a power source
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10/20/2018 05:12 AMPosted by Xenophontes

With that logic then Blood elves are night elves. So they should just move your faction back to the Alliance.

Also no! High Elves belong in the Alliance! No blue eyes for you.

This is a moot, braindead argument.
There is thousands of years of evolution away from being Night Elves so you are of course, incorrect.

Ps. Blood Elves are High Elves.


See I always figured it made no sense why blood elves re restricted to a single eye
Constant arcane energy from the Sunwell would definitely do it as it's why they had blue eyes in the first place, and with it being partially holy that's why you would see their priests/paladins using the golden eyes and not like EVERY SINGLE NPC having it as some people would suggest that the holy overrides all. We know that isn't true.

It'll happen eventually, probably after each of the core races has had a chance to get a new set of customization options. Really looking forward to seeing what ever race is going to get!

I am so glad you are capable of seeing logic. xD
You are correct I too have noticed it is mostly light based NPCs who sport the gold eyes.
This by extension does leave lots of room for other eye colours. ^_^
The same courtesy could also be extended to Night Elves as they too are probably sensitive to various types of magic as well.

I hope someday soon! But I agree other races should come first.

10/20/2018 07:43 AMPosted by Yale
BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGON

FOR ALLIED RACE CONFIRMED?!

10/20/2018 09:40 AMPosted by Zanyra
While you're at it make alliance quel'dorei playable!

Also give night elves the option to have gold or blue eyes that aren't gender locked

You already have playable Quel'dorei, but yes blue and ember night elf eyes please!!

10/20/2018 10:00 AMPosted by Lenstian
What are you talking about? Blue Eyed Blood Elves already exist, did you forget about us?

I did not forget I just simply wish to be beautiful too.

10/20/2018 10:06 AMPosted by Talendrion

Indeed, like in matter of personal opinion I agree with what you are saying, it would be nice if BE eye colors were related to the type of magic being channeled, like it "dyes" them on repeated use.

The issue I see is that all the evidence we have so far points otherwise, because with how it appears, it's less about the type itself of energy being channeled and it's rather about the radiation level of a specific source of power that affects the population across the board.

Like, you don't get blue eyes for channeling Arcane Energy, you get the Blue Eyes because there's a huge fountain radiating that energy, seeping it through. That's why all blood Elves got green eyes, not because everyone was using fel, but because the radiation caused by fel crystals and other fel energies to power the city/settlements

So I think that's the thing: The radiation of the power source -The Sunwell- is what causes the eye glow, or at least what has the "predominance" over personnal channeled magics. And so far, we have seen that the predominance of the Sunwell itself is Holy Light radiation, cause otherwise, blue eyes would have already returned.

So we are back then to the possibility of:

A) The Holy energy of the Sunwell will always be the dominant and Arcane recessive thus never show.

B) Individuals casting could "tip the scales" of that homeostasis and give the more Arcane attuned Blue Eyes -Cause it's also evident that personal lifestyle is relevant, as it has given BE a threshold between green and golden eyes which would suggest that how "attuned" one is to the Sunwell affects your eye color, so the question is if the "how" is also relevant-

Cause how it stands now -as in, the present evidence- It really implies that Holy energy is dominant and thus Holy > Fel > Arcane -cause otherwise, Blue eyes would already be back-

Mind you, this could be easily retconned by the "Yeah since the Sunwell is Holy/Arcane you get affected by the radiation you are more attuned to" So it's not like a Big Deal tho, I'm just talking about the speculation with what facts we have.

So in short, I think the evidence implies that Blood Elf eye color as a "permanent" trait is less about the energy an individual channels and more about the dominant radiation of a power source

Huzzah! A reasonable individual with a reasonable argument comes to the table and isn't being a butt about it!
I sincerely appreciate the effort you have put in to this post and you most certainly have clarified my mistake and I thank you for that.

I do want to agree with you as my request for blue eyes isn't concrete in lore and I am okay with fully admitting it.
Blizz has a history of retconning stuff so this is a subject as stated that could easily be retconned.
Perhaps a clarification on how the Sunwell really works would help because no doubt some Blood Elves do not live in Quel'thalas and so would not be physically affected by the radiation of the Sunwell itself.
It is also stated that Alliance Thalassians are permitted to make pilgrimages to the Sunwell so would they by extension also be affected by the sunwell and acquire Gold Eyes?

There are quite a few questions to be asked but I am certainly not going to be expecting an answer from them.

With that in mind though wouldn't the dominant radiating energy source be that of the ley lines and the arcane since they would be subjected to that the most?
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10/20/2018 10:27 AMPosted by Anillei

10/20/2018 10:06 AMPosted by Talendrion

Indeed, like in matter of personal opinion I agree with what you are saying, it would be nice if BE eye colors were related to the type of magic being channeled, like it "dyes" them on repeated use.

The issue I see is that all the evidence we have so far points otherwise, because with how it appears, it's less about the type itself of energy being channeled and it's rather about the radiation level of a specific source of power that affects the population across the board.

Like, you don't get blue eyes for channeling Arcane Energy, you get the Blue Eyes because there's a huge fountain radiating that energy, seeping it through. That's why all blood Elves got green eyes, not because everyone was using fel, but because the radiation caused by fel crystals and other fel energies to power the city/settlements

So I think that's the thing: The radiation of the power source -The Sunwell- is what causes the eye glow, or at least what has the "predominance" over personnal channeled magics. And so far, we have seen that the predominance of the Sunwell itself is Holy Light radiation, cause otherwise, blue eyes would have already returned.

So we are back then to the possibility of:

A) The Holy energy of the Sunwell will always be the dominant and Arcane recessive thus never show.

B) Individuals casting could "tip the scales" of that homeostasis and give the more Arcane attuned Blue Eyes -Cause it's also evident that personal lifestyle is relevant, as it has given BE a threshold between green and golden eyes which would suggest that how "attuned" one is to the Sunwell affects your eye color, so the question is if the "how" is also relevant-

Cause how it stands now -as in, the present evidence- It really implies that Holy energy is dominant and thus Holy > Fel > Arcane -cause otherwise, Blue eyes would already be back-

Mind you, this could be easily retconned by the "Yeah since the Sunwell is Holy/Arcane you get affected by the radiation you are more attuned to" So it's not like a Big Deal tho, I'm just talking about the speculation with what facts we have.

So in short, I think the evidence implies that Blood Elf eye color as a "permanent" trait is less about the energy an individual channels and more about the dominant radiation of a power source

Huzzah! A reasonable individual with a reasonable argument comes to the table and isn't being a butt about it!
I sincerely appreciate the effort you have put in to this post and you most certainly have clarified my mistake and I thank you for that.

I do want to agree with you as my request for blue eyes isn't concrete in lore and I am okay with fully admitting it.
Blizz has a history of retconning stuff so this is a subject as stated that could easily be retconned.
Perhaps a clarification on how the Sunwell really works would help because no doubt some Blood Elves do not live in Quel'thalas and so would not be physically affected by the radiation of the Sunwell itself.
It is also stated that Alliance Thalassians are permitted to make pilgrimages to the Sunwell so would they by extension also be affected by the sunwell and acquire Gold Eyes?

There are quite a few questions to be asked but I am certainly not going to be expecting an answer from them.

With that in mind though wouldn't the dominant radiating energy source be that of the ley lines and the arcane since they would be subjected to that the most?


Honestly I just like to talk about the lore so ty :D.

As for the Alliance Thalassians that make pilgrimage, I would err on the side of no. Cause if it's indeed "radiation" it would require a certain threshold of exposure, which is I think why is the reason why only some Blood Elves have golden eyes now -they are more attuned/sensitive to that radiation, being either because they are directly channeling the energy of the Sunwell itself, or being a light user makes you more sensitive to its effects, or even that usage of the light itself cleans the green taint somewhat.

So maybe an Alliance Elf that has stayed a lot on Quel'danas could, but the thing is, are they allowed to stay for long periods of time? Or it's like just a short trip? Perhaps the ones that are highly attuned to the Holy Light would get golden eyes, but I would think the number would be lower overall.

As for what energy is the dominant on the Sunwell itself, the only clue we have to that is the evidence that Golden Eyes happened but Blue Eyes haven't, that's the implication. Basically, the "dominance" speculation is based in the fact we have gold, but not blue.
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If we are making requests here, i would like to request that our ears stop clipping out of our damn helmets. Its not like those things are made of bone after all. Eyebrows too for that matter.
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I am so glad you are capable of seeing logic. xD
You are correct I too have noticed it is mostly light based NPCs who sport the gold eyes.
This by extension does leave lots of room for other eye colours. ^_^
The same courtesy could also be extended to Night Elves as they too are probably sensitive to various types of magic as well.

I hope someday soon! But I agree other races should come first.


Having the different glow options for Night Elves would be kinda cool, too, after the Night Warrior business plays out. The amber eyes on a druid would be great!

10/20/2018 10:27 AMPosted by Anillei

It is also stated that Alliance Thalassians are permitted to make pilgrimages to the Sunwell so would they by extension also be affected by the sunwell and acquire Gold Eyes?

There are quite a few questions to be asked but I am certainly not going to be expecting an answer from them.

With that in mind though wouldn't the dominant radiating energy source be that of the ley lines and the arcane since they would be subjected to that the most?


There isn't really stated range on it either, so the fact it has arcane in it (and there is nothing to say holy is dominant at all or everyone would be sporting gold,) plus one big reason quel'thalas is where it is was due to converging ley lines. Add in the fact there would be elves that return to Quel'thalas after the events of BC that weren't in Silvermoon at the time of those events and you'd already have individuals with blue eyes residing there. It's not like some of the pilgrims may not have decided to stay.

As a race they're big on magic, so you'd probably see mages/etc first with blue eyes, priest/paladins with gold, and everyone else with a mix of blue and/or green as the fel continue to fade. I see it mostly as a game-ism that it hasn't happened yet, only so much dev time and Wow's a big place with a lot of the other races needing time, too.
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10/20/2018 01:48 PMPosted by Talendrion

Honestly I just like to talk about the lore so ty :D.

As for the Alliance Thalassians that make pilgrimage, I would err on the side of no. Cause if it's indeed "radiation" it would require a certain threshold of exposure, which is I think why is the reason why only some Blood Elves have golden eyes now -they are more attuned/sensitive to that radiation, being either because they are directly channeling the energy of the Sunwell itself, or being a light user makes you more sensitive to its effects, or even that usage of the light itself cleans the green taint somewhat.

So maybe an Alliance Elf that has stayed a lot on Quel'danas could, but the thing is, are they allowed to stay for long periods of time? Or it's like just a short trip? Perhaps the ones that are highly attuned to the Holy Light would get golden eyes, but I would think the number would be lower overall.

As for what energy is the dominant on the Sunwell itself, the only clue we have to that is the evidence that Golden Eyes happened but Blue Eyes haven't, that's the implication. Basically, the "dominance" speculation is based in the fact we have gold, but not blue.

I'm not 100% clear on all of my lore so I tend to do some research as I go long. xD

But this is a really good theory to be honest in regards to their eye colours. No doubt though not all blood elves life within the sunwell's vicinity so a myriad of eye colours should be possible.

I personally want more lore on the Alliance/Horde Thalassian relationship, it is known that pilgrimages are welcome but living there? I would love to know as they are literal kin, the relationship between the two groups of the same race would be an interesting story indeed and there could be room for political turmoil.
Perhaps of the spy variety. >w<

While I admit that holy is a far stronger force of magic than arcane, no doubt over time arcane will seep in to the populace for those who aren't as attuned or sensitive to the light. Given that the Sunwell is part light and arcane there has to be some sort of influence in there.

10/20/2018 01:55 PMPosted by Talessa
If we are making requests here, i would like to request that our ears stop clipping out of our damn helmets. Its not like those things are made of bone after all. Eyebrows too for that matter.

This is a very realistic request I too would like to see. xD

10/21/2018 07:36 AMPosted by Harlequin

I am so glad you are capable of seeing logic. xD
You are correct I too have noticed it is mostly light based NPCs who sport the gold eyes.
This by extension does leave lots of room for other eye colours. ^_^
The same courtesy could also be extended to Night Elves as they too are probably sensitive to various types of magic as well.

I hope someday soon! But I agree other races should come first.


Having the different glow options for Night Elves would be kinda cool, too, after the Night Warrior business plays out. The amber eyes on a druid would be great!

10/20/2018 10:27 AMPosted by Anillei

It is also stated that Alliance Thalassians are permitted to make pilgrimages to the Sunwell so would they by extension also be affected by the sunwell and acquire Gold Eyes?

There are quite a few questions to be asked but I am certainly not going to be expecting an answer from them.

With that in mind though wouldn't the dominant radiating energy source be that of the ley lines and the arcane since they would be subjected to that the most?


There isn't really stated range on it either, so the fact it has arcane in it (and there is nothing to say holy is dominant at all or everyone would be sporting gold,) plus one big reason quel'thalas is where it is was due to converging ley lines. Add in the fact there would be elves that return to Quel'thalas after the events of BC that weren't in Silvermoon at the time of those events and you'd already have individuals with blue eyes residing there. It's not like some of the pilgrims may not have decided to stay.

As a race they're big on magic, so you'd probably see mages/etc first with blue eyes, priest/paladins with gold, and everyone else with a mix of blue and/or green as the fel continue to fade. I see it mostly as a game-ism that it hasn't happened yet, only so much dev time and Wow's a big place with a lot of the other races needing time, too.


You aren't wrong, not everyone would have been in Quel'thalas so there is 100% room for blue eyes to have been a presence or make an emergence.
Ley lines are very powerful sources of arcane magic, in fact in a lot of stories they are essentially the veins/blood/life source of a planet. A part of me really doubts that a single Naru could overpower the magical energy of a Titan and Titan's are arcane power houses.
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09/06/2018 04:08 PMPosted by Anillei
Hello Blizz!

With the recent edition of gold eyes for blood elves, I think it is about time we get ourselves a set of blue eyes as well. With the Sunwell being made of both Holy and Arcane I can see this being a reality. While the gold option is a step in the right direction, to embrace both aspects of the Sunwell it should certainly considered.

After all Blood Elves are High Elves, just because you change your name doesn't mean you change ethnicity and to say otherwise is...bordering on racist.

I'm certain that I can't be the only one out there that would love to see this come true.

For those of us who are interested, lets be sure to keep this civil and simply show our support for our blue eyes.

Thank you!

PS. Purple eyes too please!


Sounds good to me, don't forget to make Blood Elves a neutral race and relabel them as High Elves too.
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10/21/2018 12:05 PMPosted by Jasmine

Sounds good to me, don't forget to make Blood Elves a neutral race and relabel them as High Elves too.

Blood Elves are High Elves and they're on the Horde, blizz doesn't do neutral races anymore so nice try.
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10/21/2018 12:58 PMPosted by Talendrion
Indeed, I do believe that proximity itself -thus continued exposure- could be a decisive factor on the long run.


Proximity is irrelevant as far as lore goes -remember Blood of the Highborne main plot was precisely the Sunwell had to die cause running away from it was pointless-. and as long as this isn´t explicitly retconned, well, then it´s still very much the status quo (the fact we´re gonna get an scenario that literally shows this in the game makes me think Blizz hasn´t changed their minds about the limitless influence of the Sunwell over Thalassian elves).

Golden eyes so far has been relegated mostly to Light users into the NPCs population; which I think could mean this lorewise speaking may be pointing to an "overuse" of the Light aspect of the Sunwell for this type of individuals. Under the same logic, a mage could develop faster blue eyes considering they would rely more on the arcane aspect of the Sunwell.

Frankly, I think only physical Belf class options (rogue, warrior, hunter) are the ones that can gamble with their eye color, and this may be related to their lack of clear dependence on a deffined type of magic to work (they aren´t reliant on Fel like Warlock or Demon Hunters, nor reliant on Holy like Paladins or Priests nor reliant on Arcane like Mages are).

The dressing room has blue eyed options clearly different from the Death Knight or High Elf NPC ones right now; maybe Ion for once didn´t mess up on an interview and indeed devs may reconsider blue eyed options too for Belf toons? Maybe we should prepare for another storm here on the forums...
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10/21/2018 01:53 PMPosted by Ariël
10/21/2018 12:58 PMPosted by Talendrion
Indeed, I do believe that proximity itself -thus continued exposure- could be a decisive factor on the long run.


Proximity is irrelevant as far as lore goes -remember Blood of the Highborne main plot was precisely the Sunwell had to die cause running away from it was pointless-. and as long as this isn´t explicitly retconned, well, then it´s still very much the status quo (the fact we´re gonna get an scenario that literally shows this in the game makes me think Blizz hasn´t changed their minds about the limitless influence of the Sunwell over Thalassian elves).

Golden eyes so far has been relegated mostly to Light users into the NPCs population; which I think could mean this lorewise speaking may be pointing to an "overuse" of the Light aspect of the Sunwell for this type of individuals. Under the same logic, a mage could develop faster blue eyes considering they would rely more on the arcane aspect of the Sunwell.

Frankly, I think only physical Belf class options (rogue, warrior, hunter) are the ones that can gamble with their eye color, and this may be related to their lack of clear dependence on a deffined type of magic to work (they aren´t reliant on Fel like Warlock or Demon Hunters, nor reliant on Holy like Paladins or Priests nor reliant on Arcane like Mages are).


The proximity speculation is based on the fact that proximity to other sources of magic sources -namely fel- has given BE eyes green eyes despite channeling or even using fel. So the evidence supporting the "proximity" factor does exist. It's not necessarily related to the link with the Sunwell itself, but a side effect of that link itself.

The fact that we have golden eyes now, but no blue eyes currently, implies some dominance of the Holy energy -barring a retcon- Because if it was based around "what energy you draw from" we would already have blue eyes.

The fact that any class can have golden eyes implies that is related to:

A) Individual Use of the Sunwell's energies.

B) Proximity to the Source of power regardless of personal inclinations, as per evidenced by green fel eyes even in those that never munched on fel.

All in all, this is all speculation, you might be right that indeed only those that draw from the Holy energy of the Sunwell are getting Golden eyes and has nothing to do with radiation and exposure.

Then it could just be a matter of time before those that draw from the arcane get blue eyes.

But for those that partake in neither, one would assume the Sunwell would "default" to either energy, and given that holy energy is the one that showed up first, it implies dominance, and given that Holy energy works actively against Fel, I really don't think we can discount the radiation/proximity theory when that is what gave Blood Elves green eyes on the first place.

The dressing room has blue eyed options clearly different from the Death Knight or High Elf NPC ones right now; maybe Ion for once didn´t mess up on an interview and indeed devs may reconsider blue eyed options too for Belf toons? Maybe we should prepare for another storm here on the forums...


This is untrue. If you are referring to the blue eyes poster earlier in this thread, is just the DK texture without the glow, which is caused by the pose. I checked this by myself on the MMO-Champ model viewer, and it also happened with other races. I invite you to explore this by yourself.

https://www.wowdb.com/items/97295-darting-damselfly-cuffs#model-viewer

Compare the DK options on the normal pose and later go to the "guard" pose that should be near the end of the list.
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10/21/2018 02:30 PMPosted by Talendrion
The proximity speculation is based on the fact that proximity to other sources of magic sources -namely fel- has given BE eyes green eyes despite channeling or even using fel. So the evidence supporting the "proximity" factor does exist. It's not necessarily related to the link with the Sunwell itself, but a side effect of that link itself.


Careful cause this "irradiation" was explicitly attibuted to fel regarding magical energies (and trhe devs weren´t even consistent with this gameplay wise; if not all those elves on the Allerian Stronghold should have feel green eyes considering they were living right next door to Shadowmoon Valley -the factory of fel in Outland-).

So far the only certain thing we know is that the Sunwell irradiates the elves no matter where they live, and Belves back in TBC were an easy prey to fel energies cause they had NO Sunwell to tamper with. Now they have one, which means the COLLECTIVE energies that compose it WILL influence them both in a balanced way. Sunwell is a mix of the two, which implies both types of energy coexist and none is superior to the other.

Now, if we take into account individuals inside Belf society may draw a little more from one of the two types of magical energies that compose the Sunwell cause it´s benefitial to their day-to-day activities (like Holy in the case of priests or paladins), then it´s easier to explain why only some of them have a eye color reflecting that particular magical source (if holy was suppoosed to "override fel and arcane" then ALL Belf NPCs would get Golden Eyes by default; even the warlocks or the Demon Hunters). This doesn´t happen, which makes me think my theory may be closer to what the devs want to portray.

10/21/2018 02:30 PMPosted by Talendrion
The fact that we have golden eyes now, but no blue eyes currently, implies some dominance of the Holy energy -barring a retcon- Because if it was based around "what energy you draw from" we would already have blue eyes.


I disagree, if devs didn´t implement blue eyes was because sp far they only had one mirror cosmetic equivalent for the Alliance Night Elves (you know the actual mirror equivalent for the Belves in Alliance), and that´s the Night Warrior eye customization we´re gonna get in 8.1. Had they put blue eyes along with golden ones, they would need ANOTHER eye customization for Night Elves -that makes sense lorewise. Making Golden available for females and Silver for males could work, but perhaps they think this isn´t an equivalent exchange for blue eyes on Belves (maybe too bland to be an exchange proper?).

Also, after the -pardon me- HUGE temper tantrum people raised here simply because Ion denied plans for Alliance High Elves on BfA I think they may have decided to implement them after; if only to not get an even bigger sry out at the time (take into account he didn´t deny the possibility of blue eyed belves; meanwhile that hard "no" regarding Helves says it all.)

10/21/2018 02:30 PMPosted by Talendrion
This is untrue. If you are referring to the blue eyes poster earlier in this thread, is just the DK texture without the glow, which is caused by the pose. I checked this by myself on the MMO-Champ model viewer, and it also happened with other races. I invite you to explore this by yourself.

https://www.wowdb.com/items/97295-darting-damselfly-cuffs#model-viewer

Compare the DK options on the normal pose and later go to the "guard" pose that should be near the end of the list.


Uhh, you are right. Silly me.

Personally I think both options should become available because the Sunwell IS a mix of BOTH, not the holy fount everybody and their mother swears it is. It would be a nice reflection of canon lore into the gameplay of the Belves.

I wouldn´t use any of those options (I hate the "light zealot" vive of golden eyes and blue eyes makes me think too much over High elves who I detest as NPCs); but other players would love the expanded customization so... why not?
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Where the heck are people getting the idea that BE mages draw from the sunwell to cast spells?

As far as I know it's never been stated anywhere and there was never a point where BE mages had issues casting spells with the sunwell gone.

Not to mention that no other race draws from the sunwell to cast arcane so it's pointless.

I think you guys are taking the blood knight plot and putting it on other things that don't fit.
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10/21/2018 01:53 PMPosted by Ariël

Frankly, I think only physical Belf class options (rogue, warrior, hunter) are the ones that can gamble with their eye color, and this may be related to their lack of clear dependence on a deffined type of magic to work (they aren´t reliant on Fel like Warlock or Demon Hunters, nor reliant on Holy like Paladins or Priests nor reliant on Arcane like Mages are).


This is most likely what would happen to the NPCs. Players would be given all 3 color options but priest/paladin would stay gold (pony boy) where mages would show blue, and rogue/warrior/hunter/etc would be kind of a mixed gamble of blue or green (though probably more blue). Locks/DH would obviously still blare green.

Would definitely drive home how attuned to magic that they all are regardless, and shows that they really do have a strong desire to make sure what happened to them in WC3/BC never happens again.
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10/21/2018 02:30 PMPosted by Talendrion
The proximity speculation is based on the fact that proximity to other sources of magic sources -namely fel- has given BE eyes green eyes despite channeling or even using fel. So the evidence supporting the "proximity" factor does exist. It's not necessarily related to the link with the Sunwell itself, but a side effect of that link itself.


Careful cause this "irradiation" was explicitly attibuted to fel regarding magical energies (and trhe devs weren´t even consistent with this gameplay wise; if not all those elves on the Allerian Stronghold should have feel green eyes considering they were living right next door to Shadowmoon Valley -the factory of fel in Outland-).

So far the only certain thing we know is that the Sunwell irradiates the elves no matter where they live, and Belves back in TBC were an easy prey to fel energies cause they had NO Sunwell to tamper with. Now they have one, which means the COLLECTIVE energies that compose it WILL influence them both in a balanced way. Sunwell is a mix of the two, which implies both types of energy coexist and none is superior to the other.

Now, if we take into account individuals inside Belf society may draw a little more from one of the two types of magical energies that compose the Sunwell cause it´s benefitial to their day-to-day activities (like Holy in the case of priests or paladins), then it´s easier to explain why only some of them have a eye color reflecting that particular magical source (if holy was suppoosed to "override fel and arcane" then ALL Belf NPCs would get Golden Eyes by default; even the warlocks or the Demon Hunters). This doesn´t happen, which makes me think my theory may be closer to what the devs want to portray.


Conceivably, but you are obviating the fact that Fel power was used heavily to re-power Quel'thalas, so it's not just being around fel, but being around big fel power sources. That's the only common differences beteen BE and HE in context, Blood Elves were using fel to replace their power sources, HE did not, thus stands as the reason of difference. Otherwise, if it was indeed about just being around any fel, the remaining HE everywhere would have green eyes already. So it kinda has to be environmental specific to Blood Elves, hence the specificity of using Fel power sources on bigger escales.

As for any energy having dominance on the current Sunwell, we cannot assume they work on a balanced way, We know is a fountain of both, but we do not know if it's an even split. The only evidence regarding any of this is the presence of Golden eyes, and the absence of blue eyes, nothing else, and that implies a dominance of Holy energy -again, barring an explicit later retcon- be it either temporary, or permanently.

If elves were that susceptible, all Thalassian Elves would have either gotten green eyes because a little bit of fel, or conceivably loose any glow whatsoever. That HE retained blue eyes implies that there is a certain threshold of fel exposure that had to be crossed to trigger the change.

10/21/2018 02:30 PMPosted by Talendrion
The fact that we have golden eyes now, but no blue eyes currently, implies some dominance of the Holy energy -barring a retcon- Because if it was based around "what energy you draw from" we would already have blue eyes.


I disagree, if devs didn´t implement blue eyes was because sp far they only had one mirror cosmetic equivalent for the Alliance Night Elves (you know the actual mirror equivalent for the Belves in Alliance), and that´s the Night Warrior eye customization we´re gonna get in 8.1. Had they put blue eyes along with golden ones, they would need ANOTHER eye customization for Night Elves -that makes sense lorewise. Making Golden available for females and Silver for males could work, but perhaps they think this isn´t an equivalent exchange for blue eyes on Belves (maybe too bland to be an exchange proper?).

Also, after the -pardon me- HUGE temper tantrum people raised here simply because Ion denied plans for Alliance High Elves on BfA I think they may have decided to implement them after; if only to not get an even bigger sry out at the time (take into account he didn´t deny the possibility of blue eyed belves; meanwhile that hard "no" regarding Helves says it all.)


That is rather speculative of motives rather than anything to do with the lore. And with what we are talking, we can only speculate about the lore TBH.

We can only really take the fact that there are golden eyes now and not blue to make our speculations cause otherwise it's really just conjecture on the meta level.

On the other hand, if they would have given BE golden AND blue eyes at the same time, would have it mattered? HE fans had already got shut down I really don't think it could have gotten any worse hehehe. Honestly it would have been a far cleaner break than "There are no plans for HE but who knows in the future"

But indeed, even if blue eyes were held off because of these considerations you have conjured, it would still have to make sense lorewise why they came later -again, barring a retcon- so is on that possibility that I suggest that there HAS to be some sort of dominance, even if temporary. So barring a retcon of "Yes BE have gotten Golden eyes and Blue eyes at the same time" we still have to explain the staggering of one to the other lorewise.

10/21/2018 02:30 PMPosted by Talendrion
This is untrue. If you are referring to the blue eyes poster earlier in this thread, is just the DK texture without the glow, which is caused by the pose. I checked this by myself on the MMO-Champ model viewer, and it also happened with other races. I invite you to explore this by yourself.

https://www.wowdb.com/items/97295-darting-damselfly-cuffs#model-viewer

Compare the DK options on the normal pose and later go to the "guard" pose that should be near the end of the list.


Uhh, you are right. Silly me.

Personally I think both options should become available because the Sunwell IS a mix of BOTH, not the holy fount everybody and their mother swears it is. It would be a nice reflection of canon lore into the gameplay of the Belves.

I wouldn´t use any of those options (I hate the "light zealot" vive of golden eyes and blue eyes makes me think too much over High elves who I detest as NPCs); but other players would love the expanded customization so... why not?


Personally I don't mind if the two options become available, but with the present facts I can venture to say they "should" get blue eyes rather than "could". That's what the evidence is giving me when interpreting it on my most objective setting, because honestly we have little to go on.

Cause literally the only thing we have as a fact, as present and real in the setting, is that golden eyes have appeared, and blue eyes have not. That's it. So all speculation has to be made in consideration of said fact, to say "no, we should have blue eyes already" goes against that fact.

So in short, if what is fact is that we have Golden Eyes and Not Blue eyes presently, there has to be a lore reason for that. That reason might well as be temporary and lead to Blue Eyes soon, but we have to speculate based on those facts otherwise is just conjecture and what one would like.
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10/21/2018 03:05 PMPosted by Malise
Where the heck are people getting the idea that BE mages draw from the sunwell to cast spells?

As far as I know it's never been stated anywhere and there was never a point where BE mages had issues casting spells with the sunwell gone.

Not to mention that no other race draws from the sunwell to cast arcane so it's pointless.

I think you guys are taking the blood knight plot and putting it on other things that don't fit.


Honestly is just to try to explain why some elves have golden eyes and why others have green eyes. There must be some sort of "Threshold" for the change to take effect.
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09/06/2018 04:08 PMPosted by Anillei
Hello Blizz!

With the recent edition of gold eyes for blood elves, I think it is about time we get ourselves a set of blue eyes as well. With the Sunwell being made of both Holy and Arcane I can see this being a reality. While the gold option is a step in the right direction, to embrace both aspects of the Sunwell it should certainly considered.

After all Blood Elves are High Elves, just because you change your name doesn't mean you change ethnicity and to say otherwise is...bordering on racist.

I'm certain that I can't be the only one out there that would love to see this come true.

For those of us who are interested, lets be sure to keep this civil and simply show our support for our blue eyes.

Thank you!

PS. Purple eyes too please!


Topics like this are how Blizz can get away with supplying sub par balancing and gameplay content.

When the game is as unfinished and broken as it is now, we need them to focus and fix issues that make this game lame to play. Once we have a game of balanced classes (so anyone can play what they want) and not trash Azerite gear (with no direction and incredibly unfair advantages given to some classes vs others simply because of Azerite traits) and gameplay is fun again for ALL PLAYERS, then we can and should focus on aesthetics.

Prot Warrior have legitimate complaints that should be taken seriously, after all. Feral druids require attention and fixes until they're viable choices. There are classes that struggle where others breeze through and have no issues for no reason other than Blizz "hasn't gotten around to it yet".

Focusing on extremely minor racial aethetic details, that may or may not even fit in lore or any other purpose/that some players don't even want or care about, should be a trademark of a well made game with no significant issues. That's not BFA.

All players care about these things: Is my class fun? Can I play whatever I want and do whatever I want and not be hamstrung simply because of what I enjoy playing?

There's no point worrying about your seat covers being destroyed when your entire car is on fire.
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09/06/2018 04:11 PMPosted by Baloo
high elf thread

An illusion! What are you hiding?!
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I’m still in the purple eyes boat tbh

Because I do believe that asking for blue eyes is sorta stepping on the shoes of high elfers (doesn’t mean I’m opposed to it)

Maybe something similar to the night elves? Where it’s like a ritual or quest line leading to it.
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10/21/2018 03:05 PMPosted by Malise
Where the heck are people getting the idea that BE mages draw from the sunwell to cast spells?


A little bit from Blood of the Highborne (in which the caster units like Liadrin and Belo´vir aknowledged there was something wrong with the Sunwell and that the fount felt "diminished"; also Lor´themar comment over the pains of addiction being less prominent in rangers but harder on those with magical profession backgrounds) and speculation regarding the M.O. of the Highborne cast in the old Knaak books (why do you think Rhonin was such a colossal Gary Stu in those books? cause he wasn´t dependent in the Well of Eternity to work, duh).

Nothing in the lore establish the current Belves/Helves practice magic on a different way from their Highborne ancestors; ergo they´re dependent on x source of power to function. At least most of them.

If elves were that susceptible, all Thalassian Elves would have either gotten green eyes because a little bit of fel, or conceivably loose any glow whatsoever. That HE retained blue eyes implies that there is a certain threshold of fel exposure that had to be crossed to trigger the change.


No Fel powered Sunwell dude, so Helves living far away from the influence of the crystals supporting the buildings make sense not having fel green eyes.

On the other hand, the Outland Helves SHOULD HAVE fel hgreen eyes but they suspiciously don´t have them, and me thinks this is not by lore reasoning but merely by gameplay (I mean the devs consider the average player a moron unable to distinguish of political affiliation if the model is shared; ergo High elves in Allerian Stronghold have blue eyes cause reasons and Alleria didn´t had fel green eyes in Argus before sucking the Dark Naaru for the same reasons: gameplay).

High elf NPCs should develop the golden eye sickness too then, if Holy being holy si the lone reason for it being manifested in the eyes of the elves. But fact ius, it isn´t; ergo everything points to golden eyes being the consequence of professional/job exposure more likely than "holy overrides fel and arcane and everything!!".

On the other hand, if they would have given BE golden AND blue eyes at the same time, would have it mattered?


Look at the answer of most pro-playable High elf posters in this very thread and come back with your deductions...
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Blue eye, blue eye!
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