Blood Elf Druid

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That’s not how it works in actuality though.

Illidan had once thought such was the case too, but was taught differently by Rhonin — after seeing him use the arcane without needing something to consume or use as a foci to channel. Rhonin had taught him the key is to focus & thus Illidan’s journey to being a better sorcerer had began.

Source: Day of the Dragon

That being said, there’s naturally many Highborne who were able to use magics without doing such — like Queen Azshara and the Highborne who followed Malfurion shortly before being exiled.

Ultimately:

The Highborne would channel energies to empower their magic or fuel its potency — Not necessarily fuel their magic as a necessity … Albeit as we know, such a process could make them prone to addiction of the magical sources they tapped into depending on said-source.

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There are no druids in WC2. The elves were rangers and piloting destroyers.

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Not by any stretch of the imagination. Druids in WoW have a reverence and a direct connection to the Wild Gods and/or Spirits of the Wild.

Playing with Herbalism and Alchemy doesn’t make someone a druid.

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not gonna happen. outside of legion adding hunters to gnomes specifically, every time blizzard has given more races old classes, EVERY race was given it all at once, and i doubt they have enough druid assets put together to drop a new batch of druids by midnight

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Yes there were. They weren’t playable but they are definitely mentioned in WC2.

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There’s a brief mention of them in the manual in regards to placing a runestone. It’s implied they’re High Elves, not stated. Both Night Elves and Blood Elves were High Elves that were changed by which magic they continued using, druidic or staying with arcane. Druids weren’t actually in the game.

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So BE Druids are cool but NE Paladin is a step too far? One is just as reasonable as the other. Both are better than NE Warlocks I suppose but we already have them.

Just give NE’s Paladins and Shaman and I can have an all NE roster (aside from evoker, maybe give the dragon guys some NE options for their visage form).

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I’d bet Aussielight’s issue with Nelf Pallies stems from the idea of them using the Light like a human rather than Elune’s powers.

Much like they would prefer a void elf to use voidy powers for pally.

But I’m making a guess there.

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Considering night elves hadn’t entered the canon in WC2, the only possible race those druids could have been was high elf.

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Nightelves have not been shown to require the Moonwells to sustain themselves. Highborne have been shown to go through magic withdrawals in all their depictions to date. Furthermore, their depictions have shown that being able to draw upon a certain magic source is crucial for them to wield it: The Blood Knights wielded the light, because they sucked the Light out of M’uru. Felbloods consumed fel magic, they use fel. Ren’dorei consume void magic, they use void.

Druidism is not just a matter of training. It requires a connection to the Emerald Dream. Blood Elves have no connection, presently, and given their history, the Wild Gods, Merithra, nor Eonar are likely to say “Yeah, you can suck our magic to live.”

Technically, it’s leaders are Cenarius, Malfurion and Hamuul. No one holds sole power. If one had to hold primacy, it would be Cenarius since the circle takes its name from him.

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Night Elves were not introduced until WC3, and did not exist within the Eastern Kingdoms - they remained in Northern Kalimdor. It was the exiled Highborne that placed the runestone, and IIRC, the most recent canon was it was High Elf magi, not druids as we understand them.

Incorrect. Without spending paragraphs going into the details as to how and why:

All the current Elven factions started out as Kaldorei, Night Elves. The Night Elves have 2 main castes: Kaldorei and the Quel’dorei (the Highborne who are basically Azshara’s cronies). Some Quel’dorei got sealed up in Suramar during the sundering, these are Nightborne. Some Quel’dorei got twisted by the Burning Legion, these became Naga and Satyrs. The Highborne who refused to give up arcane magic, became the High Elves of the Eastern Kingdoms, then the Blood Elves after Arthas attacked their home. A few High Elves who were not present on Azeroth when this happened, turned to the Void for support and became the Ren’dorei, Void Elves.

At no point were both Kaldorei and Sin’dorei called Quel’dorei at the same point in history. By the time that runestone was placed, the Quel’dorei had long since diverged from their kin in Kalimdor.

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Drawing upon magic is not how they’re able to use magic. It empowers them and the Sunwell sustains them as a baseline but these things are not how they use magic.

Otherwise your warlock wouldn’t exist… They don’t draw magic to use it only to sustain themselves.

Night Elves use moonwells to empower themselves in the same way they just don’t specifically need the magic to keep from withering. (or… Wretcheding)

Since they don’t have to suck magic to do so that’s just silly.

It’s leader is Malfurion Stormrage and all of it’s tenants are night elven ones. If we’re considering the Argent Crusade as Alliance leaning then darn tooting the Cenarion Circle sure is.

Quoting Aussielight here since they have a convenient source about how elves do not gain their magic by sucking it.

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I would rather they just come up with a tribe of elves that didn’t go with Alleria into the void. The idea that there are no original high elves is kind of wack. They need representation.

Just so happens that with blood elves being chaos/fel/arcane affinity, and alleria’/umbric’s crew being void, a tribe of “wild elves” with nature affinity would fit well

It is a major archetype in RPGs that isn’t quite satisfied by night elves

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There are plenty of original High Elves. Groups like the Silver Covenant, Highvale or just the general populace of high elves in (or were in) Dalaran, refugee elves from Theramore and then theres Stormwinds small populace of high elves. They’re all over the place.

Though its not canon that they were ever druids. Only exists in a decanonized TTRPG book and a mention thats been since retconned in WCII.

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Yes you are right but I think it should all be cleared up by making high elves a playable allied race !

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No, the leadership in the all the sources I can find has it split among the three: Cenarious, Malfurion, and Hamuul. Given that both Malfurion and Hamuul are said to be students of the wild god, it’s clear that of the three Cenarius is held above both. After all, it’s not the Malfurion Circle, or the Runetotem Circle.

And yet we have M’uru and the Blood Knights, where the ingame lore and events clearly depict that the Blood Knights got their power by siphoning it from M’uru.

Whatever lessons Illidan learned, it does not appear to be transferred to the Highborne as they still practiced it.

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Yeah, you can use X power by siphoning its essence to gain access to it — however it’s generally a shortcut, not a necessity.

So most light users would revere the light, pray and/or hold their faith towards their virtues to be granted their power, or something similar to such — whereas the Blood Elves simply TOOK that power from a being more inundated with that cosmic force, so that they could use it.

The Blood Knights used M’uru as a loophole.
Hence the dialog at the end of the Sunwell Plateau.

Dialog –

Prophet Velen says: The creature Entropius, whom you were forced to destroy, was once the noble naaru, M’uru. In life, M’uru channeled vast energies of LIGHT and HOPE. For a time, a misguided few sought to steal those energies… :eyes:

Lady Liadrin says: Our arrogance was unpardonable. We damned one of the most noble beings of all. We may never atone for this sin. :pensive:

Prophet Velen says: Then fortunate it is, that I have reclaimed the noble naaru’s spark from where it fell! Where faith dwells, hope is never lost, young blood elf.
Lady Liadrin says: Can it be?

Prophet Velen says: Gaze now, mortals - upon the HEART OF M’URU! Unblemished. Bathed by the light of Creation - just as it was at the Dawn. :raised_hands:

:sparkles: The heart of M’uru disintegrates and flows into the Sunwell. The Sunwell reignites in a fount of blinding light. :sparkles:

Prophet Velen says: In time, the light and hope held within - will rebirth more than this mere fount of power… Mayhap, they will rebirth the soul of a nation.

Lady Liadrin says: Blessed ancestors! I feel it… so much love… so much grace… there are… no words… impossible to describe…

Prophet Velen says: Salvation, young one. It waits for us all :relieved: Farewell …

The Blood Elves + The Light:

Thus now the Blood Elves less “take” or “siphon” such a force, and more-so channel into it — via the Sunwell, as with the Sunwell’s rebirth: The Blood Knights have engaged in a far more harmonious relationship with the Light, which they now channel directly through the Sunwell itself, wielding the Light in a healthy way, instead of taking, consuming, bending or dominating it.

Sources:

  • Sunwell Plateau Raid
  • Chris Metzen & Micky Neilson Pocket Star Books Lore Q&A Video Interview
  • Ask CDev (Ask Creative Developmen ) Round 1
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Cenarius is also a diety and ally of the Night Elves (yes I know he’s a wild god). He’s even fought for them and clearly favors the night elves in the current day. So two leaders in your view are Alliance leaning with one Horde.

The Argent Crusade and the Cenarion Circle both fall into an Alliance favoring group that the Blood Elves could feasibly not want to invite to their lands if they can instead do so themselves.

And by the end… No longer needed to do so because the Sunwell was relit and sustaining the Blood elves. Now the Blood Knights canonically have faith in the Light restored and only a very few of them still draw their powers the same way they used to from M’uru just using the Sunwell now. Most of them are stated to use the Light through faith as of current day.

The elves do not need a font to use magic. They need it to sustain their addiction and keep them from the adverse effects. It is not the source of their powers. The sources of their powers are from the same places anyone else gets their power from.

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Cenarius is also an ally of the Tauren, for he taught the Yangol how to become druids - and despite Malfurion’s title, he is not the first druid. The tauren have a better claim to that tradition. Cenarius supports both Horde and Alliance alike.

If they don’t want the Cenarion Circle in their lands, then they will never be druids. After all, if they won’t accept the foremost druidic organization, the foremost teachers of how to access the gifts of the Emerald Druid, to help them heal the Dead Scar… then they will forever be denied access to this form of magic. Merithra won’t teach them. The Darkspear and Zandalari would be equally distasteful given the history with the Amani. Kul Tirans and Gilneans are not going to, and the Thornspeakers are tied to the Kul Tirans.

Even if I accept your claim, and I don’t, given your view that the Blood Elves would reject the help of the Cenarion Circle, then they will never be able to be druids. Period. There is no other avenue to Druidism save via the Wild Gods, and there are none that would seem even interested in the process, nor a requisite love of nature shown by their people to justify it.

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None of this makes any sense. Why would the Cenarion Circle refuse to teach them? Why would it be wrong for the Blood Elves to want to heal their land without the assistance of forces not their own when they have the option to do it themselves? Why would Merithra matter? The Darkspear and Zandalari have no issue with the Blood Elves. Thats an Amani problem. Why would the Gilneans or Kul’tirans even remotely come into it? They’re not Horde to begin with…

Thats… an odd reason to reject existent lore.

Thats not remotely true…

You have no reason to think this.

I don’t really understand how people miss that they do actually like nature… I’ll grant the Magisters ain’t terribly interested and neither are the Blood Knights but theres this whole other group of them… I think they’re called Rangers or Farstriders or somesuch that do actually care about nature within their lands. And its not like the Magisters or Blood Knights hate nature either.

I don’t really get why you dislike the idea of Blood Elven Druids as an option or concept to this degree.

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