Did some 15s as blood and was doing half the dps I was doing before prepatch (14k overall down to 7k?)
Tried my talent build, wowheads, subcreation is lol atm.
Was the removal of 4pc really that bad or am I missing something?
I was kyrian before prepatch and went NF/abom’s for these 15s.
Is there cause for concern or should I remain aloof?
The 4pc was that strong yes.
Like Citywok said, the Blood Set was actually that strong.
It honestly should’ve been baked into our spec (perhaps a bit toned down.) so we could actually hold our own with other tank’s dps.
Oh well.
It kinda was. DRW is extended by a talent just not to the extent it was with shackle and spamming HS like a baboon.
I mean, maintaining 100% uptime takes a little more finesse than babooning, let’s not insult our ability just because muscle memory exists.
I guess I was hoping that the centerpiece of the xpac, these talent trees, would make up at least some of the obvious 4pc power loss.
I guess not though eh, ef death knights? lol
Why play a BDK in push content when warr and paly tanks feel brand new and do real dmg? Flavour? What about pushing m+ portals within a month? Does it make sense to play BDK? Probably not, right?
Youre the only person Ive seen not screaming pally is trash. Meh on pushing content every tank will be in the wf keys. Most people will probably jump on warrior because it’s fotm.
Just wanna shout out that Prot Warrior is also just a lot of fun.
I’m glad they didn’t keep the 4pc play style. Spamming nothing but heart strike for endless dRW and capping on RP constantly feels bad and tbh a bit boring. I like using a variety of globals in my rotation. Also felt wrong not pressing Deathstrike like ever.
Would of been nice to keep some of the 4pc dps baked into the rest of the kit… But we are in pre patch and everything will change when DF hits.
Nobody disagrees with your first paragraph, it’s been said for two seasons now. Nothing new there… but you seem to have backtracked in your second statement…
I was expecting to do at least acceptable dps by some other means in lieu of sans 4pc. I guess that’s asking too much.
The second part of my comment I mean the throughput of 4pc baked into the tuning of the spec… Not actually keeping the 4pc mechanics. So that all our abilities hit a bit harder so that our output remained similar despite losing 4pc.
Blood DK is great in DF. Absurdly tanky, amazing self-sustain.
Right now is not when you want to be on top of DPS; DPS meters lead to whinging which leads to nerfing.
There will be plenty of Blood DKs at the top of the M+ ladders even if nothing were changed from today.
BDK damage is still fine. Obviously won’t be what it was with tier, but with the 50% decrease you are seeing it could be an issue in gameplay. I’ve still been quite close to my previous dps numbers, I would guess 20% less (+/- 5%) depending on key and how well I play.
They really just need to buff BDK abilities. My auto attacks hit as hard as HS and Marrowrend carrying deaths due or at least the stacking strength portion could have also been a good way to bring our damage up without it becoming overpowered like it was with tier
You’re not really supposed to use Marrowrend anymore outside of the end of DRW to set up the next 30 seconds. As long as you keep BS stacks at 5 you get more total damage for runes spent out of DC outside of the “burst” window.
This is a non-factor. I can be tanky on any tank- even if that means just having a kite game. This doesn’t offset the dps.
when we expand the trees further at level 70, we’ll get what, gorefiends and purg? That doesn’t help dps. Now is the time for feedback actually, if the recent class changes literally every week haven’t shown that.
Maybe a few niche guys who will always play DK, but I think we all know that doesn’t paint a holistic picture.
So you’re saying it’s not fine, because you agree with my previous comment lol
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The dps IS acceptable; you have an inflated sense of DPS from the 4pc.
Blood DK in 60 keys since the patch are second to top performers after more than 50,000 parses on every tank, and more than 100k on the top three. They are marginally behind Vengeance DH, which are arguably the strongest a tank has ever been since the inception of M+ right now. This is in the 75 percentile and above. At 99 percentile they are marginally behind wars and DH.
At 70, Wars and DHs are overperforming. There is absolutely no doubt about that. If War and DH remain unchanged relative to other tanks, there will be no reason to play anything but one of those two.
However, of the 4 remaining, DK is arguably at the top. BrM does more damage, no doubt, but requires massively more healing, only increasing as difficulty goes up. You could make an argument for either, and both are definitely in a winning position depending on the rest of your circumstances (key level, healer skill, etc).
You don’t have to take gorefiends or purg, if you don’t want to. Nothing compels you to take the capstones, nor any other specific point. BDK has a massive number of small, extremely valuable talents to take in its place.
I agree, I do think a death strike and heart strike buff would be nice, in fact, perhaps make heart strike hit harder than death strike, and make it less spammy? That would be interesting.
It’s 2 different comments. Overall damage is fine, they weren’t too far off most tanks and the recent buffs are probably what was needed to bring them up to par. But 2/3 of our biggest damage dealing abilities in ST doing roughly the same as an auto felt really bad.
I feel like you missed what I was saying, or intentionally missed what I was saying?
When I debunked your claim that BDK dps was good, you moved on and said it was offset by tankiness, then I refuted that, and you came back and said the dps is good…
Then you showed how other tanks are better at both dps and tanking from a mid range to high end level, and somehow think that is a convincing argument that BDK is fine.
You sound like you’re trying to convince an uneducated customer to buy a product you don’t believe in. I’m sure there is an audience here for that, and I understand I can only post on an alt with no achieves- but I am not buying what you’re selling.
Please don’t tell me my business. I don’t think you have a BDK main for 1, and for 2, I have been main BDK for a long time, didn’t even shelve it in SL S1 when they were dead last dps already and not getting invited to groups because everybody knew. It was so underplayed because of the low dps that I was pulling gold parses effortlessly just because there was virtually nobody else playing it. I’m not looking to repeat history here.
Moreover, S4 and to a large extent S3 (4pc) was all quite a wash. These seasons were very casual, not comparable to m+ seasons, and blizz even used words like “experimental”. From BDK perspective it was just extra fun to be at the top of tank dps again, and we all knew it would be fleeting, borrowed power. Let’s not patronize BDK mains.
Is the dps low? Yes. Have we seen that before in recent history? Yes.
Do we all play at Dorki’s level? no.
Someone is the best. Someone is the worst. That is always going to be true, from the beginning of the game until its last day.
BDK is extremely close to VDH and Prot Warrior; closer than PLD or Bear are to BDK.
You accuse me of intentionally missing what you said, while intentionally missing what I said. BDK has enough DPS talents to avoid taking talents you don’t want to take, generally. You said that we get no dps-improving talents from 60 to 70, which is simply not true unless you choose not to take any.
I don’t care what you think I sound like. What I am saying is backed up by evidence; what you are saying is not. Unless you think BDK must be on top of the DPS of all tanks or the game fails, in which case, you’re wrong.
Do I give a crap what you believe? No.
I’m not sure who you think you’re helping by being simultaneously absurdly aggressive and argumentative, while providing zero evidence to support your supposition that BDK is in a bad state. It’s simply not supported by evidence. At 60 its above average, and at 70 it’s at the top of the pack of 4 who aren’t overperforming. As I said; either VDH and War will be brought in line, all the others will be brought up, or everyone will simply play vdh or war.