The 2 piece bonus from S2 (Aberrus tier) is too strong and the tier bonus from the new season (Amirdrassil) 4 piece is too weak to justify the latter over the former. Currently the 4 piece is just not meaningful or impactful enough.
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u wot m8???
How did you come to this conclusion?
The 4 piece is broken what are you talking about lmfao
4 pc is not that great. It’s good on big pack pulls maybe 2-3 times a dungeon. Take Everbloom for example, I’m using it on 1st pull and then on then depending on how close to 1st boss I am, I may sandbag it a minute to do a big trash pull on the way to second boss. I’m probably using it once with the caster trash and maybe the last boss?
Of those, it impacts those 3 trash pulls a little bit depending on if I get heart strike procs and how big I’m pulling.
are you only reading half of the bonus? it gives you extensions on all ashen decays in addition to abom limb applying it to all of the targets.
The extension is nice, but I don’t find myself between procs very often to be honest. I’m not going 8 seconds without dropping 2-3 death strikes usually. Usually enough to get another proc. Towards the end of a pack I dont really care about the proc, but great if I get it.
Heart strike and blood boil make up roughly 30% of my damage profile overall. Losing the 2pc is going to be 6% damage loss on my aoe abilities. The random vampiric embrace is whatever, not sure I’m going to miss that honestly.
I mean, it’s not the end of the world losing it, but it’s active all the time. I like the set bonus, but I do t think the set bonus is that much if a game changer for m+. For raiding, sure. That uptime is huge.
If I’m pulling ~12 mobs in everbloom with the flower dudes included, I’m not extending this on every ashen decay. I’m extending it on 5. First pull of BRH is another example.
on your next dungeon run the 2p/2p combo and let me know what your uptime on ashen decay, then run the 4p and let me know the difference. i can guarantee with 2p/2p its nowhere near 100% uptime. so you also have to factor in the 20% dmg increase AND the 10% dmg taken decrease that you get from the increased uptime of ashen decay. The uptime will fill a large portion of that 6% you think your losing, except it applies to all damage, not just those 2 abilities.
Guess let me rephrase, I’m sure it’s an increase. I’m not saying that discord and the guides are wrong. I’m just saying the immediate passive dps loss is tangible. I can look at specific numbers in my meters and know how they’re going down when I swap out.
Talking purely from a dps perspective here, the vampiric blood procs are not nearly as good as the damage reduction. The defensive value of the new set is great. The dps is hard to put your finger on, especially since there is an overlap period for most of us where you don’t have the new 4 pc yet and you’re rocking 2/2.
Hard to pick apart that extra damage on 5 mobs in a large pack. Chances are my subsequent heart strikes may not even be cleaving into targets with decay on them if I’m pulling a lot of mobs. At that point it’s a boost to dot and dnd.
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You are forgetting about slappy hands. They will hit every mob in the pack, pretty much uncapped, not just the first five, and they’ll refresh it on every target as well. If you didn’t have slappy hands you probably aren’t going to pull more than 5 important mobs, though, so also no loss there.
That said, looking at my own logs… I haven’t even started tracking the thing in-game to actually try and lengthen it, but I appear to have gone from a 20.49% uptime on the old set (essentially a “2% bonus strength” when rounded and spread) to a 36.25% uptime on the new set (essentially a “2.1% bonus damage” when rounded and spread), using Everbloom 16-18 to compare similar runs.
imo main difference is that this one happens exactly when you want it to - during your burst. The last tier required you to either get a lucky proc or spend your Vampiric Blood offensively.
As lightforged, I’ll miss Vampiric Blood making my Light’s Judgment stronger, but imo the burst is way stronger now compared to before. And that’s when you’re not actively trying to keep the buff going longer, I’m sure someone who cares will have a higher uptime than my 36.25% without trying. It’s also important to take into account that the new tier will always be 100% uptime during your burst, due to your burst automatically applying the effect. Imo this is way better than the previous tier which would maybe last for half of your burst if you’re lucky.
Yeah I mentioned the limb windows above, and it’s fantastic there. It’s up for almost the entire pull in those cases usually.
In between the extension is nice, but not ground breaking. I feel like the power on most of the sets now is in the 2pc to get us to break the old set early, rather than the 4 pc.
Oh wait I was looking at the wrong debuff and got the math wrong.
I actually had a 54.13% uptime on Ashen Decay, which ends up as about a 10.8% damage increase when spread, but obviously a lot stronger when it has the full uptime during the burst.
I take back my previous post, the new tier is so much stronger that there’s not any point in even trying to compare the two. It is stronger during burst and stronger overall.
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Thanks for providing numbers 