His original post was a complaint about the small amount of damage negated by block value. His followup, and i quote
…crit immune and crush immune are two TOTALLY different things. Yes, a blocked attack cannot crit, but we arent talking about crits. We are talking about Crushing Blows.
Bosses like Mekkatorque hit hard enough that eating a single random crush is risking a wipe. Eating two nearly guarantees one.
Well yes this, but Om’s argument isn’t entirely sewed in actual gameplay.
Right now at level 40, preventing a crushing blow is impossible, our stats aren’t high enough.
At level 60, my only reference being end game era, deep prot was useless and a shield was only used in certain scenarios. You’d never go down a prot tree further than last stand.
The root of my statement is actual tanking spec and using a shield full time is doable, but it’s actual just a handicap to your team.
Demonstrably false. Every single time you block, parry, dodge or are missed, you arent being Crushed. Thats exactly how Crush Immunity works.
Block + Dodge + Parry + Miss = chance to not get Crushed. Every time you push Shield Block you are forcing yourself into a Crush Immune state. Hell, Crush immunity is WHY you only take 1 point in Imp Shield Block.
bro, you need to learn tanking mechanics, block is not a primary tool to prevent damage, it’s a primary tool to prevent crushing blows and critical hits. the 5-10% physical dmg reduction from blocking is just a bonus.
Blocking prevents crushing blows/Critical hits/Damage reduction, its literally the thing that makes or breaks your tank.
A blocked hit is uncrushable. Simple as
BV does nothing to prevent crushing blows, and it’s a fairly weak mitigation stat on big hitters. The only thing you care about is getting a block, and that’s taken care of by pressing shield block (and having your 1 point in improved shield block if you care).
BV and Block Chance really aren’t important to a warrior assuming they know how to swap to a shield and press their shield block button.
He could wear a level 1 shield and still achieve the same uncrushability benefit.
Or just reroll to a chad bear tank, eat crushing blows for breakfast, and run your healers out of mana lol
Block Value is a threat stat for Prot Wars at the raid level and a mitigation stat at the 5 man level. Or alternatively, a threat stat against bosses and a mitigation stat against trash.
You are correct that at the raid level the amount blocked is irrelevant. As i said before it could be 2 damage and itd still be worth it.
BV has little value but doesn’t mean nothing, it’s like you say armor is nothing because 100 armor gives you like 1% DR. The more BV, the more dmg you mitigate.
There isn’t a single guild that cares about performance and kill times that cares about a deep prot tank
Themraplug absolutely smacks, I am geared with BIS engineering shield and only blocked 12% incoming physical.
I mean yeah BV is a threat stat if you go all the way in for shield slam. I’d still rather go down the fury tree.
I really think they need to rework the prot tree if people want it to be considered viable for raid tanking. I’m not saying that people who play deep prot are bad or anything, I just think the deep part of the tree is fairly lackluster compared to the alternatives.
12% DR sounds insanely good to me.
Heres a simple formula.
Take 15% of the hits you took from Mekkatorque over the course of a kill. This is the chance that a mob thats your level +3 has to Crush.
Now average the damage of those hits and take them x1.5. Thats how much damage you prevent by actively preventing crushing blows.
You can prevent overall physical by killing it faster
Specs are so wonky.
Most classes have one spec that pulls way ahead of the others because of runes, Hunter being BM as an example, the other specs are just trash for us right now.
Only hybrid classes are free from that fate, because they can go tank/heal.
Every pure DPS class basically only have one legitimate/meta way of playing.
Maybe they should’ve tried a balanced vanilla spec approach before throwing in runes, because runes aren’t gonna fix what is inherently unbalanced. Probably make the issues worse tbh.
Hard to secure a kill when your tank pops like a wet fart bubble because he got crushed twice in a row in under 2 seconds after parryhasting a boss with an offhand white.
Im trying to help you, homie. Against a boss like Fallout or Grubbis? Sure, go DW and zug if you want. They arent tankbusters.
But Mekkatorque is in the same League as Broodlord, Emps and Patchwerk. The moment you dont respect their damage sufficiently, youre dead. And that death is on you every time. Refusing to wear a shield against bosses that hit that hard is the same level of needless recklessness as trying to tank in Zerker with Death Wish active.
Put on the shield, your healers will thank you.
I don’t think you undertsnad though. I tanke dall through naxx to the point my eyes were bleeding. No tanks in any competitive environment were prot or often used a shield
There exactly 0% chance someone tanked Naxx without understanding the fundamental mechanics of Crush Immunity and the absolutely mandatory nature of Shield Block in achieving it.
But hey, you do you. Im not the one healing you.
OK well i did, not sure what to tell you. In fact im tired of it, if they otped to get rid of it and only do kara crypts I’d be in favor
If you did naxx with a prot tank, you gimped yourself. You haven’t givne me any information that is new? It’s all factual information. I never stated anything you said was wrong, but it… It’s not new. And it’s still all incredibly useless when there’s only 4 fights you should have a shield on
crushing blows are only 150% damage and historically are not that big a deal in classic.