Apparently augmentation evoker is so bad it is not worthy of being blocked by an entire m+ group. They invited me thinking I was dev. We did the key a +4. Barely timed it but we did time it. Bigger issue to timing it was people randomly dying throughout.
That’s how bad aug is now I guess, or at least it’s reputation among the mythic pugging community.
… it’s just one group, man.
Find another. Better yet, start networking. Make your own groups.
PUGs can be poisonous…
Aug could be good but after Dragonflight I personally would rather never see an Aug Evoker ever again. The playercount is abysmal and don’t try to quote viability at me because Ret started the season worse than Aug and was still third on popularity going into heroic.
Then might’ve been good for me to not get blocked by a group for using aug when people refusing to give up pally for it’s whole week of being bad.
Aug just does not make sense in a M+ to me. You buff others. Can you prove mathematically that your buffs are increasing the others DPS or survival to the point that it would offset a true spec?
Ret players can be insufferable don’t get me wrong, but Aug on a design level is genuinely bad for the game. Multiple times during Dragonflight other specs got nerfed for synergizing with aug too much, I can deal with being nerfed for being a strong spec but being nerfed because of an entirely different spec that might not even be in your comp is pure rubbish.
It used to for sure. Idk if it still does because blizzard refuses to stop nerfing it into the ground. But the one time red paladin is considered bad they backtrack it so hard and fast. My fav spec gets ruined and it stays that way though.
Blizzard should just get better at balancing it then. Or add more support specs.
lol, lmao.
More support specs won’t make more people play support in the same way adding more tank specs hasn’t made more people play tank, as evidenced by pve queue times being wholly unchanged since their introduction back in 2009. Adding onto that more support specs does nothing to deal with the issue of some specs having strong synergies with support, it just makes the problem worse in fact
You never NEEDED aug it was just a nice addition. But what is aug players supposed to do? just suck it up and get deleted?
Aug needs to be reworked into just an Earth-magic flavored DPS at this point imo. Maybe keep some buff on par with Infusion but the rest of the buffing stuff needs to be scaled back.
The problem with support roles is that you are at the mercy of the performance of your teammates and balanced around that. That means in order to play Aug perfectly, you have to not only play it perfectly yourself, but your teammates need to play perfectly too. So either Aug is balanced around everyone playing perfect, or it becomes OP in the hands of high end players (where it was in DF). So being balanced around perfect play, it ends up being lukewarm for average gameplay - which is where it is balanced right now, and even then it’s pretty meh.
Aug was a fine experiment but it failed.
For games that do have a plethora of support roles (I will use GW2 as an example), the end result is that the meta becomes strictly dictated by having specific support roles. I briefly raided in GW2 and the meta was IRONCLAD. You only had a few DPS and everyone else was specific support roles to ensure everyone was rolling every buff. It was some of the least fun raiding I’ve ever played in an MMO. You simply had no chance of winning unless you played meta because it scaled far, FAR beyond just merely bringing a full group of random DPS roles and thus was balanced around that.
My point is ultimately, support roles are either overpowered or underpowered. There just isn’t really a middle spot for them due to the nature of exponential scaling.
If you wanted to remain competitive, yes you did. In the same way classes with access to a legendary needed to grind out the legendary to remain competitive only this time there is actually nothing you can do about it if you don’t have an aug you just kick rocks.
What kind of question is this?
Yes, you can?
I haven’t followed it after the nerfs, but previously it easily did. It was always meta because it would buff whatever the strongest specs for the season were. Plus it had added survivability.
You could’ve gotten 3k io and clear 20s in DF and get all the portals and mounts without an aug. People did it.
Anyone ever tried a dungeon with tank, heals, and 3 Augs? Would the tank do 90% of the groups damage? Is that what Blizz is aiming for in group content?
Honestly, since the inception of Aug, i thought it was stupid. I knew immediately it would just exacerbate the imbalances in other classes, and make groups more broken. And that’s exactly what it did. A support spec just does not fit with the other design philosophy. Unless every spec has the exact same offensive and defensive profiles so support specs affect them all equally, there will always be a META group that gaps all others.
So far the only solution to Aug breaking the game when its tuned up, is nerfing it into the ground so other classes imbalances dont show.
…what?
I can’t follow this story. You were blocked? Blocked how?
Okay so you weren’t blocked?
Wait what?
???
Support spec just doesn’t work in WoW’s dungeon and raid system that’s designed for tank, heal, and dps.
The dungeon group needs a sixth spot to make it work. The raid group a 21st. Otherwise, you’re just bringing either a gimped dps, or buffing the two dps to do the damage of three dps and that’s hard to tune for and dumb.
It just needs a rename and redesign. Making it black and blue spell dps and leave it at that.
Without knowing all the details on the group, iLVL, composition, dungeon ran and all that, all I can say is that if you are almost missing timing a +4, that’s a group skill issue, not an Aug issue.
Not true. PuGs aren’t actually poisonous or venomous. Some of us are just allergic to them and therefore have bad reactions. 
Blizz needs to turn it into a pure DPS spec. The support experiment failed, because they failed at implementation.