Sucked the life out of the talent tree when they removed damage reduction from Ursine instead of Moonfire.
HOW DISCONNECTED FROM THE CLASS ARE THEY?
Would have made a BILLION TRILLION times more sense to slap the nerf to Scintillating Moonlight. Do they even play the game? Now you can not play Guardian without going deep into the right side of the tree and getting Scintillating Moonlight. GG the devs are so bad at game design its so frustrating.
The point was to make tanks take more damage. They’re not looking for you to circumvent…
Every tank got essentially the same nerf.
Relax.
Ya but the nerfs definitely arent equal though. Prot warriors basically didnt even get a nerf with the way they play using stances and brew is getting it the worst of all since they are the least self sufficient tank.
you literally have no clue what you’re talking about,
Im literally saying give back the 10% from Ursine and take away the 10% from Scintillating Moonlight. since it’s so far deep into the tree.
THE NET RESULT WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE NERF.
Do you even play this game, how did you not understand. I would understand a non druid player to not understand it, but you’re literally a druid, you must not have ever even touched guardian yet to not understand what i was suggesting. As it stands after the nerf, Guardian is pigeon-holed into a talent very very deep into one side of the tree in order to get the 10% damage reduction that wasnt nerfed. SWITCH THE NERF TO THAT. Othewise every guadian is LITERALLY FORCED TO PLAY MOONFIRE SPEC.
Now your pride wont let you admit this, and you’ll attack me again with huge fail, but im not even actually talking to you, im talking to the Dev’s.
You have to be a Boomkin only player. There’s no other explanation for your reply. All other druids know exactly when a Boomkin posts. It’s always obvious.
Blizz wanted a flat nerf to the entirety of bears not to one subspec. Every bear was taking ursine since it was dead center and required for most of the toolkit to be used in form.
Moving the nerf to scintillating does nothing to nerf bears who werent running moonbear which defeats the point of the nerfs, wether we should have been nerfed to begin with is another question but flat nerfing ursine was the best way to nerf the whole spec, like every other tank, if that was their design goal. Aside from maybe nerfing bearform itself with an armor nerf or something.
LMAO
This Mage talking down to a multi glad druid has made my morning!
Jeez, Flaps!
L2P!
lol
no, you’re not.
This is the druid forum, where druids come to speak to other druids.
You wont find any dev in this rotten, vile place.
Yea it’s not that big of a deal. I’m fine with the change. I wouldn’t call Blizz out of touch with the change either.
Ok you 
, I hope you’re embarrassed. Let me edify you.
I can read and think thankfully, I don’t need to have made a guardian to understand that you want the 10% to move to a more accessible talent. But see here’s where your reading has failed you.
Circumvent means to avoid or re-route to put it simply. If you could still get the 10% then that would … here let me type like you. cough
NEGATE THE WHOLE POINT OF THEM NERFING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. THEY WANT YOU TO TAKE 10% MORE DAMAGE AND MAKING YOU ABLE TO NOT DO THAT IS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE.
Holy cow.
You’re literally saying it’s okay to force all bears to take Scintillating Moonlight?
YOU’RE LITERALLY SAYING THAT
You do not play guardian.
Scintillating Moonlight is no longer an option, it’s mandatory. It’s deep right side of the tree.
IT WOULD MAKE NO DIFFERENCE ON EARTH TO JUST PUT THE 10% BACK ON URSINE ADEPT INSTEAD, EXCEPT IT WOULD LEAVE BEARS MORE CHOICES IN TALENTS AND PLAYSTYLE.
i mean this literally proves that you have no idea what im talking about because you dont play bear.
WE HAD 20% DAMAGE REDUCTION WITH URSINE AND Scintillating Moonlight…
They took 10% from Ursine Adept to accommodate for the nerf.
We still have 10% damage reduction with Scintillating Moonlight, BUT IT’S IN THE BOTTOM OF THE TREE IN A SINGLE BRANCH.
I want them to take away the Damage Reduction from Scintillating Moonlight., and put it back into Ursine so we can spec freely.
HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS DOES NOT NET ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM THE NERF? WHY DO YOU KEEP FAILING TO UNDERSTAND THAT IM NOT ASKING FOR 10% BACK. jUST THE LOCATION IT IS PLACED???
HELLOOO?
bro why you so angry? You sound like your whole world is coming to an end, lol calm down.
No… I’m not. Omg this is awkward. I’m going to say it again. They aren’t looking for you to make up the 10% nerf. They are NOT wanting you to go pick it up or stack it from/with a different talent. They want you to not have it. They want you to take more damage. This. Was. The. Entire. Point.
In case you need additional clarification, they nerfed the one they know everyone takes that’s easier to get to because they want the nerf to affect everyone
Which is why they didn’t do it…. The entire tuning pass against all tanks was to make ALL of them take more damage.
And now you have 10%. Working as intended
Indeed. Hello.
People are arguing because youre missing the point of the nerf. Its not to rebalance the talents against eachother its to force all bears of any talent build to loose 10% damage reduction.
Wether youre going from 10 to 0 in a physical build or 20 to 10 with moonfire build you are taking more damage. If scintillating is now mandatory so be it; it still did its job making bear take more damage wether through the nerf itself or pigeonholing physical builds from other defensive talents as they stretch for scintillating.
omg you’re clueless.
pre-nerf
post nerf
Requesting to have this instead for spec freedom
Result = STILL NEFED AND TAKING THE EXTRA 10% DAMAGE.
how do you still fail to understand this? this is like 50iq required to understand.
What world do you live in where a tank is not going to be forced to take 10% damage reduction in a raid or mythic+ where we get all of our good gear?
WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL OF MOVING THE 10% WE ARE LEFT WITH TO A MORE ACCESSIBLE SPOT? WHY PUNISH US AT ALL LEAVING IT IN THE BOTTOM CORNER OF THE TREE? WHY???
See this wouldn’t be a problem if every bear always took both talents. But they don’t, and you know this because you’re whining about being pigeonholed into taking it when you’d obviously rather not.
—OR—
They DO always take both but the ideal build is better if you go down the right side and that’s where they see balance. You’d rather take the easier to access talent and choose more cool stuff. They obviously do not want you to do this. The point is to make you worse. If you get what you’re asking for and are able to compensate and make yourself better or equal than pre nerf then… what was the point? Literally everyone in the world sees this purpose. Except you. And I don’t know why. I’m probably being trolled.
Because its not a nerf if you arent moonbear then. Which defeats the point.
And theres plenty of content where youd drop 10% for something else, like a group heal or shorter cooldown on incarn. It isnt just 10% for nothing its 10% at the cost of some other useful talent option which may or may not be worth.
And as pointed out if that 10% is so important then youre already taking scintillating which requires ursine so nothing about your build is changing.
i dont understand what’s wrong with wanting that at all.
you just like to punish other playstyles than your own?
10% DR is mandatory, so why not allow us to get it and spec into our preferred playstyle? Why must you need us to have to pick Scintillating Moonlight from now on? why? At the very least they could move Scintillating Moonlight. to Ursine Adepts location so that we can have the freedom, because this is forcing us to lock it in at the bottom, which makes no sense what is the point of a talent tree if we have to choose a talent in the bottom of the tree with no choice.
Yup, definitely a common theme here. Almost like they wanted all tanks to take 10% more damage, regardless of what spec they take.
Hmmm interesting.
Ok, so you want freedom to choose a spec other than lazer bear?
OK, lets look at the left side of the tree.
oh… wait … what’s this?
6% DR?
Looks like we need to fix your previous comment then,
Result = STILL NEFED AND TAKING THE EXTRA 10% DAMAGE.
FALSE
Your suggestion only affects laser bears and negates the Global 10% nerf to tanks, which is what their intentions are.
Is that clear to you now or shall I break out the crayons?
Normally that logic would be fine, people want more and for their spec to be better but blizzard specifically stated that this is a nerf to survivability for all bears (and to extent all tanks) and indirectly a nerf to fun on purpose full stop and it acheived that.
People arent saying its a good change, no one likes being nerfed and If you want to talk about balance between playstyles or something thats fine but you specifically focused on this nerf and then got mad when you were corrected on why your fix wouldnt work with their stated intentions.