This is the source of contention.
It doesn’t belong to the fans.
The community belongs to the fans, not the game.
The game belongs to the company.
It’s this emotional connection you people have that is blowing this so much more out of proportion, I mean specifically your reaction to content delays and satisfaction with said product.
This isn’t your game, it never was. Not even in the beginning.
You are the customer, your job is to buy or don’t buy said product, nothing more.
Even then, since the servers and data belong to them, the game was never truly yours even when you bought it.
Has anyone read the bloated wordy five mile long terms and agreements.
Your monthly sub is a ticket to ride not a garuntee of new whatever. I see the argument being made, but read the terms…
You buy an expansion you have no garuntee that it will have 3 patches or even a raid. Your purchase and payment monthly is at will with no obligation.
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Your taking it far too literal me thinks. When Tali said it belongs to the fans (and he also specifically mentions community)? It’s in the metaphorical sense. Not that the fans are like actual shareholders.
Ask yourself though, what WoW would be if not for the fans? The same fans that pay $200 or more just to attend a convention to watch a company promote it’s next entries. WoW would not be as successful as it has become if not for the fans. So the fans do have a sense of “ownership.” They care about the game.
I don’t think anyone really is suggesting that WoW fans own the game because they own the license. Come on. Seriously?
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You will be compensated for ‘nothing’.
Stop whinging and give the devs at the company time to get their house in order.
Funny how none of you were using these lines when Blizzard went on strike and stopped work over the Blitzchung mess, but now it’s too much.
I didn’t say they physically owned the game.
You’re literally skipping over everything I said.
They don’t own it in any sense.
Period.
Not even in the metaphorical sense.
And the game would have been fine even without the Blizzcons and fan events as evidenced by other games succeeding without it.
It’s even funnier how they weren’t even doing this when Blizzard fired 600+ employees after making record breaking profits.
Really? Because I seem to recall the forums having numerous threads about Blitzchung and criticizing Blizzard for censorship.
I also recall there being threads about Blizzard firing staff. There were countless youtube videos about it too where people were criticizing Blizzard.
Search is your friend…
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I don’t care for or against cancel culture as it’s with anything in life, a tool to use to shut down things you don’t like. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
Like you thinking cancelling a product temporarily is ok because a company is having internal issues even though all companies since the start of corporations have had these issues and many others yet they’ll either shut it all down or continue as normal because it’s a business and people paid for something already.
Like I said, they can do this but it’s not going to end will for them. Take the high road but they’ll just lose their jobs once the company sinks from everyone jumping ship. They’re better off compensating us and giving a timeline, or accepting their downfall as shareholders see this mess and bounce out.
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Oh sure, there were threads about that. You know what there weren’t threads about? People demanding compensation and that Blizzard ‘get back to work’ while they were protesting against the Blitzchung decision.
Which was my point.
When Blizzard developers stood up against management decisions and protested against the censorship, that was fine. They could take all the time they needed, because it was important to stand up against such issues.
But the moment they try to stand up for victims within their own workplace who suffered sexual harassment and abuse, suddenly they can’t have any time, now they MUST get back to work and if they don’t then the players MUST be compensated! Because they “pay for a service” and how dare Blizzard developers take time to sort out these problems… the GALL!!
I did actually. Protest outside of work but keep the ball rolling.
That’s because they did go back to work. I think you have to look at it from both sides of the argument. The future of development wasn’t really in question at that point. You didn’t have articles from the media saying “WoW development has ceased.” Is it clickbaity? Sure.
I mean that sounds pretty dire does it not? Especially when content delivery has been slow already which to be fair was in some part due to the pandemic, etc.
A subscription based MMO lives and dies on the back of the delivery of content to justify that subscription. I do think it’s a bit in bad taste to ask about fresh content in light of these allegations. However I also think it’s only fair for people to wonder with development ceasing (as per reports), how that affects the game going forward and how that plays into whether people decide to remain subbed or not. Look I think we all want Blizzard to get it’s act together. I want accountability. But take the following into consideration…
You said…
Stop whinging and give the devs at the company time to get their house in order.
First it’s not or shouldn’t be on the devs to get their house in order**. It’s the management’s job to get the house in order.** But as we have seen from this lawsuit? The management is woefully incompetent to the extent they shielded those that abused and harassed employees. In my personal opinion? The only way they get their house in order is not to place even more responsibility on the dev team (aside from review of policies on workplace etiquette, etc.) but to start trimming the fat where it counts. The upper management and executives that allowed such a disgraceful corporate culture to fester. They might also stand to pay Bobby Kotick a few million less (and he would only be slightly less wealthy) and better compensate their employees just as a starting point.
But let’s try to come to some terms on a positive note or look for a silver lining…
If development has “ceased” for a game that has already been slow to ship new content? I think people are understandably worried about the future of not only the expansion but what lies beyond. The silver lining is that perhaps a longer dev cycle sees more substantial improvements, changes whenever the dev team does return to work. I do understand that such turmoil can’t be easy to deal with. If your a creative it’s bad enough when you have deadlines to meet, etc only to have to deal with this mess on top of it all.
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Yeah, after they protested, after everything got sorted out. Key word there ‘after’ not ‘during because some whingers are slamming their fists against their keyboards’.
And yeah, it’s click-baity, and it’s also false. Development on WoW has not halted permanently, it’s temporarily stopped because the developers are dealing with all this crap and people need to GIVE THEM TIME.
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What compensation are you expecting from Blizzard ?
Even if they announce shutting down Wow, theres is nothing to compensate. Just like Wildstar.
I wouldn’t say everything got sorted out though. Just because Brack issued a mealy mouthed apology at Blizzcon didn’t really mean it was “sorted out.”
They didn’t even have the guts to mention him by name in said apology. Nor did they mention the announcers/shoutcasters that were fired.
Even after the apology the 6 month ban was still in place.
However, I think people are going to have to realize that this is going to go on far longer than the Blitzchung controversy ever did. Blizzard essentially wallpapered over the whole Blitzchung fiasco and still cow tows to China. So I wouldn’t consider that “resolved”.
I mean the articles aren’t really false. The context of the articles are quite cut and dried. Development has effectively ceased because of this.
A Blizzard developer has even said as much saying “I can tell you that almost no work is being done on the game and that benefits no one. Not the Players, not the developers, not the shareholders.”
As one article said “Obviously Blizzard isn’t killing off the game yet and we doubt that they will, at least not for a long time, so this feels more like a message that employees are trying to send the company.”
I mean I am sorry but I am not exactly willing to just on good faith give a corporation “time to work it out.” This is the same company that paid zero in taxes in 2018. The same company that pays its executives far more than what the people that actually create the stuff get. So we give them “time” to just bury it? Sweep it under the rug? Because that seems to be Blizzard’s typical way of handling stuff. I am not talking about the devs. I am talking about the management in this capacity.
If they announced WoW shutting down, I at least know I’m not paying to play a game I will no longer have access to even as single player content. My characters? Dust in the wind. Better stop playing than spend anymore time into it.
If they’re not finished then they absolutely can compensate us by refunding is a month worth of sub or however long this drama will drag out lack of production. I make in minutes the amount of money a sub costs, so it’s not a money issue for me. It’s the principals.