That’s quite a thing to say. Could you point to any of the explicit examples given in my post and possibly offer any explanation for why that’s moronic?
Blizzards negligence on the human pvp racial is legendary levels of pathetic incompetence. Nerf EMFH
Pushed for Glad on undead rogue in tbc
I dont think any experience will make me dislike humans more than tbc human rogue lol opener was everything
Playing RM you have to run boots+jc panther+ cape enchant for max detection + stealth level then you HAVE to run on use blue goggles for a pseudo perception racial. Ok NOW you’re on equal footing to a human rogue. So now you pre-vanish for an extra 60 stealth level as you sprint in and spam arena 1/2 shadowstep sap macro just praying the human isnt also running on use goggle because if he is then he can see you from like half a blades edge bridge away. Whole thing was cooked. Felt like snorting Adderall was a requirement to play horde rogue in tbc arena lol
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don’t understand why people bother with classic versions of arena at all, so many things wrong every with every expac especially the earlier ones.
Retail way more smooth, way more population, way more viable comps
Agree.
The Alliance PvP racials are just too-good.
RBG’s on horde-side is completely dead and terrible. Good luck finding a good pug 1800+ team.
The simple fix would be to allow cross-faction for RBG’s.
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Yep.
If history repeats and horde becomes the favored PVE setup again…then horde pvp shift will come again too. If only because of population shift to them.
Its why retail put in a more refined merc mode. Alliance was not having issues getting matches. There could be like 40 of us in the slow times. We hopped from match to match really.
It be the 200 horde who waited. They waited for alliance to get done the match they were in.
Later Merc mode just let horde pretend to be alliance fills ins to wait less.
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Look at the pve ladder, it’s all horde …
You need to keep a reason to play alliance
Yep, there’s a reason why 9 out of every 10 alliance players in bgs are humans. Turns out having essentially a 3rd trinket slot is just a bit game breaking when it comes to PvP.
There is also a reason why Warlocks seem to be the least played Horde class in bgs. When a class relies primarily on fears, which are then trinketed out of 9 out of 10 times, it is kinda frustrating to play. 
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Blizzard doesnt give a rat’s @$$ about Cata Classic. You are living in a fantasy world if you think they would even consider doing anything about this.
You have to just accept reality or go play TWW.
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Bud, I’ve repeated multiple times, check the TBC arena ladder. All 4 seasons, H:A gladiators were about 50/50. Now in cata its 99% humans. Perception and stoneform were busted racials too in TBC. The data and statistics show crystal clear that racial balance in cata is in a different universe level of worse than TBC. TBC proved to have a semblance of balance. Get a grip on reality and accept the horde domination theory of TBC didn’t come true like alli fear mongered it would.
LOL if you think top human players are using double vicious trinkets, or vicious trinkets at all, you obviously don’t pvp at a high level if at all. You cannot be taken seriously, you discredited yourself.
Not true, you can get in a guild on alliance 13/13 heroic no problem. Horde has the speed running 99 parsers, but this fundumentally doesnt matter. The only thing that matters in PvE is killing the bosses. If you kill the boss, everything is fine.
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EmoH is a issue but the bigger issue is the PVP population. There is barely any RBG groups playing, on most days its 1-2 groups at max and usually a 1800 team and a 2300-2400+ team farming them for 1 CR. Im also bit of a achivement fan, with them removing gladiator from 2s and 5s, its likely no longer possible to get the 2200 achivement in 5s.
Im not sure what the solution is but some options I think would help the health of the ladder would be readding gladiator back, adding decay to anyone over 2200 CR and adding MMR inflation as they do in retail. Force the top part of the ladder to play, incentivize 2s/5s, and raise the natural base of the ladder allowing higher CR.
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I do think that, and they do, indeed. Regardless of easily verifiable facts such as these, the examples given were done in an apples-to-apples, easily comparable format to highlight precisely the tradeoff and difference, in the case of Human vs Troll hunters.
In any case, at least 4 of the 5 top 5 hunters in the top 10 are indeed using the trinkets that I’ve linked.
At this point there could be a decent chance those are alts who will bank more on the rep racial than this one.
If we get later wow expacs, rep grinds come even more. and humans help alot. For those who left before later wow, wait till you see the crap rep later wow gives lol.
MOP adds some more for goodies.
I already know the PF earner for WoD will be human.
I already know humans are great for paragon caches to come in legion.
My humans aren’t there to own in pvp the tl;dr. I keep them current with basic pvp gear for the gold gravy trains to come basically. Others may be doing that too.
Human is simply the most powerful race in pvp, which means that every top pvper will play human, if the gap is 0.1% the leaderboards would still look exactly the same. The best players are all minmaxers who know what is best and they will play that every single time.
The problem is when you say “look at the ladder its all humans”, is it all humans because the humans pushed all the horde in the top 100 out or did all the horde in the top 100 start playing humans and push themselves out? Looking at the ladder, most of these names are just the usual suspects that inhabit the top of the pvp leaderboards,
Lets say hypothetically that night elf became the best pvp race but there were no faction or race changes available, the entire leaderboards would still be these guys playing orcs or whatever else, it wouldn’t be 80% random night elf players
The same happened with the pve leaderboards, when all the top guilds were a mixture of alliance and horde and then they all transferred to horde, the rankings basically stayed the same
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Same bro, last achieve i needed for arena master. wish i played 5s in wrath now. part of the reason i gave up on this xpac
Ironforge.pro says 10 chars got 2200 5v5 so far in all of cata, all on NA, none on EU
I only needed the 5v5 achieve and stopped at like 2130 in wotlk thinking id just do it another season lol a foooool
Allow for cross-faction RBG queing!
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Top players are not doing that. Most classes are using double BiS PvE trinkets, which are far superior.
You’ve already shown you’re more of an “alternative facts” guy that invents your own reality that aligns with your feelings. It’s clearcut you don’t even PvP seriously.
So you cherry picked a class who’s BiS stat is agility, and didn’t think through the fact that the troll racial you held up does not provide agility. So human hunters have a huge advantage because they can do double trinket with huge attack power/crit boost via agility.
You are embarrassing yourself bud, it’s ok to acknowledge when you don’t know what you are talking about.
Of course they are. Literally just look. 50% of the top 10 are human hunters and those are the exact trinkets that at least 4 of them are wearing. It isn’t hidden information. Check their armory or watch their streams.
Absolutely not. How can you even feel comfortable stating such a blatant lie?
Link something. Do you even have any argument against anything I have stated or linked to?
The obvious reason you would attack my character with lies, while saying absolutely nothing about the links or content I have posted is to move attention away from yourself. Perhaps there are other reasons, so please feel free to explain.
Yes, I chose the class that I am currently playing and the races I am currently playing for that class. I was pretty clear (explicit one might say) about what I was talking about and referencing for the comparison.
I know exactly (explicitly) what I am talking about and so does anyone who reads this thread, because it is clear, linked, and verifiable and even measurable.
It surely isn’t me who is embarrassing myself here.
I’m happy when Zugs arent.
LOL I literally just checked every class and noted the flaw in your argument. You intentionally ignored where I debunked you, that hunters use double agility boost which is a massive increase in AP/crit (bis for hunters), that the troll racial does not provide. For most classes bis is double pve, you cherry picked an exception, and human is still BiS because horde racials do not provide agility.
Majority of the thread isnt agreeing with you bud, your biggest allies are people who agree with me but just don’t want or don’t care to fix the problem.
I debunked you, you ignored the flaw in your argument that I pointed out, and just repeated yourself. You are utterly humiliating yourself, it’s not too late to stop, everything will be ok.