Be me.
Nobody on in guild.
Wait 20 minutes for LFG queue to pop.
Run underrot and get no loot.
Group leaves.
Back out and into queue.
Wait 25 minutes for LFG queue to pop.
Get put into a group on the last boss of Motherload.
Kill boss.
Get nothing.
Group leaves.
Back out.
Time to wait 25 more minutes for what's probably going to be another backfill spot.
Waste. Of. My. Damn. Time.
Either give backfill DPS (backfill healers and tanks can go suck rocks, IMO, as long as they have 2 second queues. Pure DPS need some kind of leg up) huge bonuses to their loot rolls, or give them flat out more loot.
The biggest thing they could do, as I understand it, is get more healers and tanks to que so that you don't have 25 minute ques.
From what I hear, the most common objection is the awful people in LFG. Not sure what Blizzard could do about that.
But as a bandaid? I would recommend doubling the azerite and/or gold from no-gear bosses if you join part-way through, or maybe a chance of doubled gear from the last boss if it's the only one you did.
You're still not getting *much* more, but it's at least something.
From what I hear, the most common objection is the awful people in LFG. Not sure what Blizzard could do about that.
But as a bandaid? I would recommend doubling the azerite and/or gold from no-gear bosses if you join part-way through, or maybe a chance of doubled gear from the last boss if it's the only one you did.
You're still not getting *much* more, but it's at least something.
Play tank or heals otherwise tuff cookie
11/06/2018 05:48 PMPosted by BearjPlay tank or heals otherwise tuff cookie
Kind of hard to do that on my rogue.
I think the bigger problem is an insane lack of reason to be doing heroic dungeons. Leveling dungeon queues are one thing but with things like warfronts and zeros there is essentially no place in the game any more for heroic dungeons.
If they insist on carrying on with that difficulty they will need to offer heavier incentives for tank and healer bags because at least in previous expansions there were better reasons to contribute.
Perhaps a good idea would be an amount of the new currency? It was done with the legendary currency, so it could work again here perhaps.
If they insist on carrying on with that difficulty they will need to offer heavier incentives for tank and healer bags because at least in previous expansions there were better reasons to contribute.
Perhaps a good idea would be an amount of the new currency? It was done with the legendary currency, so it could work again here perhaps.
Good thing I main a class that can tank. Heroic ques are fast and. Get 1k gold free from bonus bag (I only tank heroics when vag is up lol )
11/06/2018 05:46 PMPosted by ImposternoobFrom what I hear, the most common objection is the awful people in LFG. Not sure what Blizzard could do about that.
this is why i don't bring my tank/healer through LFG
theres alot of DPS that want to tank... they should reroll tank and it'll help the issue
NVM misread
11/06/2018 05:43 PMPosted by OllinBe me.
Nobody on in guild.
Wait 20 minutes for LFG queue to pop.
Run underrot and get no loot.
Group leaves.
Back out and into queue.
Wait 25 minutes for LFG queue to pop.
Get put into a group on the last boss of Motherload.
Kill boss.
Get nothing.
Group leaves.
Back out.
Time to wait 25 more minutes for what's probably going to be another backfill spot.
Waste. Of. My. Damn. Time.
Either give backfill DPS (backfill healers and tanks can go suck rocks, IMO, as long as they have 2 second queues. Pure DPS need some kind of leg up) huge bonuses to their loot rolls, or give them flat out more loot.
Wait till you are doing mythics or raids in group finder.
11/06/2018 05:50 PMPosted by MetrohahaI think the bigger problem is an insane lack of reason to be doing heroic dungeons.
My rogue isn't even in heroics yet. I'm still trying to grind her gear up to 305 so I can start the climb to 320 for the next round of arathi.
Have to do it on my warrior too, and since she's a tank I have first hand experience at how starkly night and day the process is when you compare pure DPS to hybrids.
I mean, I could gear my warrior as arms, but I don't hate myself enough to even consider that, so it's tank all the way until ~330 at which point I'll set my loot spec to arms and grind that out without having to deal with a queue.
But my rogue?
Nothing but pain that has to stop. This has been going on since wrath when they first introduced the LFG queues and it just gets ignored because DPS are a dime a dozen.
Well, I play everything. Since I can't gear my rogue by playing my warrior...
11/06/2018 05:43 PMPosted by OllinBe me.
Nobody on in guild.
Wait 20 minutes for LFG queue to pop.
Run underrot and get no loot.
Group leaves.
Back out and into queue.
Wait 25 minutes for LFG queue to pop.
Get put into a group on the last boss of Motherload.
Kill boss.
Get nothing.
Group leaves.
Back out.
Time to wait 25 more minutes for what's probably going to be another backfill spot.
Waste. Of. My. Damn. Time.
Either give backfill DPS (backfill healers and tanks can go suck rocks, IMO, as long as they have 2 second queues. Pure DPS need some kind of leg up) huge bonuses to their loot rolls, or give them flat out more loot.
Why are you running dungeons for gear ?
11/06/2018 05:53 PMPosted by TumoWait till you are doing mythics or raids in group finder.
I'm alliance. Raiding and mythics are guild or nothing.
There are too many DPS as it is and you think the solution is to give DPS more loot? Bizarre.
It is when there are classes in this game that CANNOT heal or tank.
Two problems:
1) Queueable content is so trivial with such low reward that they're not worth it. Seriously. Take your fresh 120 into Arathi and pick up a bunch of 340 pieces, and listen to guild chat for M0 runs for alts because they're really not much more difficult than heroic.
2) Tanks and healers almost hard-require enough field awareness from the outset to quickly realize just how unpleasant and inept queue DPS tend to be. The extra (tiny) difficulty spike of Mythic is well worth playing with people you know to meet a minimum baseline of competence.
1 is a pure balance issue. 2 is mostly a result of several expansions of trivial content rewarding face smashing, to the point that people haven't been challenged enough to learn much of anything along the way. I remember pug 5-mans in vanilla. You saw the occasional bad DPS there, but you didn't see this overwhelming prevalence and scale of bad.
1) Queueable content is so trivial with such low reward that they're not worth it. Seriously. Take your fresh 120 into Arathi and pick up a bunch of 340 pieces, and listen to guild chat for M0 runs for alts because they're really not much more difficult than heroic.
2) Tanks and healers almost hard-require enough field awareness from the outset to quickly realize just how unpleasant and inept queue DPS tend to be. The extra (tiny) difficulty spike of Mythic is well worth playing with people you know to meet a minimum baseline of competence.
1 is a pure balance issue. 2 is mostly a result of several expansions of trivial content rewarding face smashing, to the point that people haven't been challenged enough to learn much of anything along the way. I remember pug 5-mans in vanilla. You saw the occasional bad DPS there, but you didn't see this overwhelming prevalence and scale of bad.
11/06/2018 05:55 PMPosted by AmineWhy are you running dungeons for gear ?
Because I'm on a time table and I'm out of world quests that give gear.
I need to hit 320 by tomorrow night so I've got as much time as possible to pull gear out of the warfront on two separate alts.
11/06/2018 05:53 PMPosted by TumoWait till you are doing mythics or raids in group finder.
I'm alliance. Raiding and mythics are guild or nothing.There are too many DPS as it is and you think the solution is to give DPS more loot? Bizarre.
It is when there are classes in this game that CANNOT heal or tank.
I edited my post, misread the OP. I think more loot is a bad idea though. If anything wow needs less loot. More loot = more reliance on IO because gear doesn't tell a story anynore. Everything is purple. Other rewards would be fine.
11/06/2018 05:50 PMPosted by MetrohahaI think the bigger problem is an insane lack of reason to be doing heroic dungeons. Leveling dungeon queues are one thing but with things like warfronts and zeros there is essentially no place in the game any more for heroic dungeons.
If they insist on carrying on with that difficulty they will need to offer heavier incentives for tank and healer bags because at least in previous expansions there were better reasons to contribute.
Perhaps a good idea would be an amount of the new currency? It was done with the legendary currency, so it could work again here perhaps.
One simple fix- Guaranteed Hydrocore drops from Heroic bosses.
11/06/2018 05:57 PMPosted by SevarynTake your fresh 120 into Arathi and pick up a bunch of 340 pieces
Are you daft? That's the whole idea, but queuing for arathi requires an ilvl of 320.
My rogue is still sub 305 and the warfront is going to open for alliance tomorrow or the next day.
11/06/2018 05:57 PMPosted by Deathermage11/06/2018 05:50 PMPosted by MetrohahaI think the bigger problem is an insane lack of reason to be doing heroic dungeons. Leveling dungeon queues are one thing but with things like warfronts and zeros there is essentially no place in the game any more for heroic dungeons.
If they insist on carrying on with that difficulty they will need to offer heavier incentives for tank and healer bags because at least in previous expansions there were better reasons to contribute.
Perhaps a good idea would be an amount of the new currency? It was done with the legendary currency, so it could work again here perhaps.
One simple fix- Guaranteed Hydrocore drops from Heroic bosses.
How would this help anything? Few professions even use Hydrocore at all, much less for anything worthwhile.
11/06/2018 05:57 PMPosted by Ollin11/06/2018 05:55 PMPosted by AmineWhy are you running dungeons for gear ?
Because I'm on a time table and I'm out of world quests that give gear.
I need to hit 320 by tomorrow night so I've got as much time as possible to pull gear out of the warfront on two separate alts.
Your loss I guess then. Too bad you don't have friends and they could carry your character through a bunch of mythic pluses and you might not even have to do warfronts.
I have never done heroic dungeons or normal dungeons either for that matter for gear - absolutely NEVER in over 8 years.
Last time I had a fresh 120 that I wanted to get into a warfront - I was able to reach 320 within a few hours. Either buy or craft 300 gear BEFORE you do WQ and then do the world quests. I think bought a few BoEs from the auction to inflate my ilvl (they sat in my bags) and then did warfronts, got the gear and resold the BoEs (made a 20k profit too).
Nah just give better bonuses to Tanks/Healers. They are the baby sitters of dungeons.