Blizzard will never admit that Survival rework is a failure

You took the words right outta my mind.

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Well said.

I find it somewhat odd that so many seem to think that it would be enough to just add in some ranged options to current SV and call it a day. Many of us have time and again talked about why and what we actually want with RSV, and still we get the same few lines on repeat:

“Just play MM, it’s basically RSV anyway”

“Add X + Y random element to current SV and you have have old ranged SV”

Etc.

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it is thou

Yeah no its not. And again no. You can repeat this lie as many times as you want. Doesn’t change a thing. But thanks.

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You ignored the majority of my last reply to you, involving your own video on the matter.

So let’s turn this around…

You claim that they are/were the same, yet the abilities you’ve mentioned and other elements that are somehow referencing old RSV, and can be found within MM, do not function the same as they used to, nor do they even remotely achieve the same playstyle as RSV did prior to Legion.

So in what possible way does what you say here hold up then? The superficial fantasy of how both focused on the use of a ranged weapon is irrelevant as it only covers the most generalistic approach to the fantasy, on a surface level. And thus, is not enough to serve as a basis for your argument.

So by all means, feel free to go more into detail about how the fantasy theme and the mechanical theme of MM and RSV were/the same.

Be specific…

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so like, any rework to a spec ever right?

different buttons, same effect. Hardly a difference at all really.

Even if I broke it down, which it has been before, You will preform the most outstanding mental gymnastics ever seen to justify how arcane shot, explosive shot or whatever are somehow different. Hunter specs being similar has been a meme for along time. People been complaining about how Its pretty much the same spec with different gimmicks for years. Blizzard did something fantastic and suddenly people didn’t like it (even though nobody really played survival anyways). Nobody here my not like it, but im not wrong. Been talking to other hunters for awhile now and seems to be only the lvl 10 alts on the forums (for the most part) who wanna QQ bout it. :^)

The only thing the same is the name of the abilities, not the effect, not by itself or the effect it has on other abilities, and possibly, not even the button.
Honestly, if the difference isn’t obvious, blatantly obvious to a person, then it probably doesn’t matter what Class or spec they play, they could/should pick their Class by which one they think has the coolest Transmog. Really.

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r/selfawarewolves

so pretty much like any patch right?

No mental gymnastics needed. It’s obvious how the specs were different and if you can’t see that then I believe its more of a “you” thing than an “us” thing.

Typical delusional and moronic response that I fully expect from MSV shouters on the forums, please continue completing your world quests with the best spec in the game.

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Sounds like someone who wants two MM specs in the game would say.

To you, perhaps it is. Good luck with your transmogs.

No, not “like any rework to a spec ever”…

“Change” does not mean the same thing in every situation. All specs do not function the same way, all abilities aren’t designed the same way, and thus, “change” applies differently depending on what is changed and how it was changed.

Besides, this argument is irrelevant to what you quoted. Just because other specs were changed as well it doesn’t somehow make MM into what it isn’t…

Astounding effort you put into your posts, really…

All the hunter specs were the same, and I don’t need to explain why because I’m right.

You do know that this is not how things work, do you?

Again, these claims make it seem as if you’re referring to SV as it was prior to WotLK. And again, that era is irrelevant because 1: there were no actual core specs and defined playstyles to pick between back then, and 2: following 1, what people refer to as RSV did not exist back then. No spec did.


If you actually are talking about RSV and the era it existed, then you’re just dead wrong. As have been proven many times before. There are still data and statistics available proving that not only was RSV commonly played, but to the point where it was overall the most played hunter spec of all. And also, again, was it always the most played hunter spec? No, but that’s not the argument anyway…

Yes, you are. On so many things. But by all means, stay ignorant.

Like I said, you’re wrong. Case-in-point.

Besides, what does the level of the characters used to post matter here?

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