Not that it is relevant here… But cataclysm only lost just over 3 million subs over the course of its lifetime… people still seem to quote these insane sub losses, but really the only major one was WoD.
You and Plingding alone on a server together, just the two of you. Sounds romantic tbh.
I remember Cata being a huge loss for subs, and then MoP gained a bunch back.
But yeah, WoD and the announcement of flying was a critical loss.
Wanna know what is a bit nuts? I am hoping they keep doing Classic servers for every expansion because I would love to replay WoD now, as well as Legion.
I do too, but my guild is a happy group (whose worst boss is the Roster Boss). Thing is… Remulos has no-one to merge with. None of the Oceanic PVP servers would want to become PVP, and you don’t want the US servers to merge, because we’d be playing on 200ms ping.
This is not a server merge issue. It’s a lack of players issue, for Classic in general. Merging Remulos with any other server that currently exists, would make a different problem worse.
This would require instancing, causing worlds to feel far emptier because half the players are in one state, and the other half are in the other state. You literally described why you went to PVE.
Wrath.
Nah, this would just cause the same guild-pocalypse it did previously.
i think a lot get cataclysm and WoD confused or something
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For a lot of Classic players, “retail” is pretty much anything from Wrath on forward.
For all the classic playedrs I know, it is Cata and beyond. TBC being very good classic content, and WotLK being the pinnacle of classic content.
Then Cata hit and changed SO much about the classes and dumbed them down so much a lot of players left.
I personally hated Cata, and I liked MoP quite a bit, but Legion was what I liked the most after WotLK.
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You and me both, though I didn’t like Legion EXCEPT High Mountain.
The only change I’d really want is to fix the AH. (And add a rule that after an item’s been listed for an hour AND has a bid on it, the auction can’t be canceled. This holds for retail too.)
I wouldn’t mind a round of free xfers to balance things. I like my alliance server. My horde server started out good but is falling off.
Edit: I admit I’d like dual spec for this character and transmog for all, but I’ll still play.
Fixed that for you. Wrath is part of the Golden Age trilogy.
Which is why none of it belongs in Classic.
That is literally antithetical to what Classic is all about. They’ve already added more than they should have.
In fact, I’ll even go a step further and say they straight up lied about the fact that they WEREN’T going to add stuff, and then they did it anyway.
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I personally toss it in there, but for a lot of the real OG players, the people who came from older MMOs and were here in the first few months of Vanilla, Wrath was when the game started to take a turn for the worst. That’s not to say Wrath was terrible, but it wasn’t the games golden age.
But, given what people are asking for, I honestly think Cata will be more popular than people think.
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They kept Classic quite authentic. They did come out and say with TBC Classic they were somewhat abandoning that philosophy. That approach has been a failure, as we’ve seen. But they lured so many Retail players with the boost…that’s probably their target audience now. Which means more changes in Wrath.
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Maybe, who knows until it happens.
I personally will play Wrath and enjoy taking everything nice and slow for my alts.
If a Classic Cata server happens, I won’t touch it. It was not an expansion I liked at all.
MoP was one I might play, but WoD I would absolutely be back for.
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I’ll play Wrath, but avoid the Borean Tundra except to get the mammoth. I love my mammoth.
Such a close minded point of view that is way too common for Classic players. Just because retail has it, doesn’t mean its bad. A LOT of the QOL features in retail are fricken amazing. The game itself just sucks.
I’m not a Classic player.
I had high hopes for it when it was finally announced, that it would bring some players back that had become disenchanted with Retail over the years. I had also hoped that it would give people an understanding of how things have changed over the years and help them understand WHY they changed.
You can’t say this
And still say this about other people. I submit your view of Retail and its current state is close-minded.
And none of them belong in Classic. Classic was meant to be a faithful recreation of how the game USED to be.
Adding those things reduces that authentic feel.
Probably for the best to be honest.
How would you know? You’ve already stated you don’t play classic, so you literally have no idea what should and shouldn’t be in the game. I stopped playing retail in MoP, and hated it. I only came back to play classic and 90% of the changes that have been made were absolutely necessary. You honestly should be voicing no opinion on a game you don’t play.
I didn’t say I haven’t played it.
I said I’m not a Classic player.
And to this point I say:
I played Classic when it was called Vanilla, so I actually DO know what should and shouldn’t be in it.
The only change I agreed with that they did was the one they said they would have done if the technology would have allowed it: The number of buffs/debuffs that could be active at one time. They cut the difference and moved it from 8 to 16, which made sense at the time.
I mean, it really doesn’t sound like it. You have no idea what is and isn’t healthy for an MMO. ‘Vanilla’ was not a good game. At its time, it was the best we had, but for todays standards, its near unplayable. Didn’t take long from when classic launched for people to quickly realize it was more flaws than not, and quickly became the TBC waiting room.
Agreed. But it was what people wanted.
However, that’s not what they are delivering, but it’s what they said they WOULD deliver.
They lied. Period.
And yet, it’s what people wanted.
Whether or not it was good is irrelevant.
I’ve played enough MMOs in my time. I think I have a pretty good handle on what works and what doesn’t.
Retail changed to what it has because it needed to change.
Classic, however, was meant to be “retro”. It wasn’t proposed to be changed because that’s not what the proponents of the project wanted.
I agree with them. Vanilla/Classic was what it was, and it should have stayed that way.
It was launched as a “museum piece” so people could see the way it used to be. It wasn’t launched to be changed and morphed into “New Retail”. That was never its function.
I think you have a SERIOUS misunderstanding of what the Classic project is, was, and what it was meant to do.
When you can get that fundamental understanding down, get back to me. You just don’t understand the assignment here.
Edit: Also, I’m done with this discussion. You can move on without me. I won’t be responding further here.
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